'Be a man'!
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I've never said "Be a man!" in all seriousness, as in those actual words as anything else but a joke.
WHat I HAVE done, and you can put another star on Jack's badass chart for this, is deliver a logical process of working one's self-esteem back into full swing that would equate to manning up. But the way I SAY things is understanding and well-delivered. People feeling bad about themselves who have a clusterfuck of problems can really only help themselves, because many even resist interventions. So, if the only thing YOU can do is give them the proverbial kick in the ass, then "Be a man!" is just insulting. It implies that they weren't a man in the first place, which is demeaning. You give them your push in a manner that makes them want to get going, and then hopefully they do.
WHat I HAVE done, and you can put another star on Jack's badass chart for this, is deliver a logical process of working one's self-esteem back into full swing that would equate to manning up. But the way I SAY things is understanding and well-delivered. People feeling bad about themselves who have a clusterfuck of problems can really only help themselves, because many even resist interventions. So, if the only thing YOU can do is give them the proverbial kick in the ass, then "Be a man!" is just insulting. It implies that they weren't a man in the first place, which is demeaning. You give them your push in a manner that makes them want to get going, and then hopefully they do.
It angers me sometimes that people whine publicly even though their answer is right in front of them. I for one do not pity others, even if that is their goal. They should man up. Not only does it help if you are actually depressed, but it stops you from whining if you are just desperate for attention.
Depends, really. "Man up" is one of the stupidest things I can think of to say if someone is being sad and depressed. Now, I'm not saying it's exact definition is a bad idea, since it roughly translates to: "toughen up and get over it" but to phrase it as something a "man" should do isn't exactly intelligent.
It's an adult thing to do, to get over something, even if it's pretty bad. There are some things you don't want to get over, however, but you should at least be able to move on. I like to use the phrase "Grow up", since it's a bit more correct in it's usage, than "man up".
Children cry and sulk and complain about their problems, but never do anything about them. Adults suck it up and do something about them, not just men.
It's an adult thing to do, to get over something, even if it's pretty bad. There are some things you don't want to get over, however, but you should at least be able to move on. I like to use the phrase "Grow up", since it's a bit more correct in it's usage, than "man up".
Children cry and sulk and complain about their problems, but never do anything about them. Adults suck it up and do something about them, not just men.
i believe the ancient greeks achieved manhood by climbing atop mount olympus and consuming the still beating heart of a freshly defeated god of thunder and lighting. then again everyone from back then was a liar so who's to say really
Alright first post, well no time like the present.
ok so "be a man". Honestly i suppose i don't have much of a reaction to that at this point. The saying is defined by the emotions its bred over the years, and its far to old to be held responsible for its direct relationship to the male definition. Today for me its synonymous with "be strong" and has little to do with what it means to be a man. Truthfully it no longer defines what it is to be a man simply because its associated with emotional fortitude and not all men today are emotionally barren. Not that there is any thing wrong with that, men in touch with their emotions will at the very least be more sane if not more successful in the big city workplace, where this kind of persona is favorable to relieve stress and create a calm work environment.
But i digest<lol, I think the real issue being raised here it whether or not the saying is an "attack" on the woman's ability to be strong, and although i agree that the association of man with strong is an unfortunately misguided development, it is also a natural one due to the way that the term has been used. The truth in my mind, is that the saying when used today is only used in passing when the man saying it assumes the receiver is also a man, and is being used not as an attack on the woman population, but on the cultural outlook of the times we live in as it relates to men. Whether you look at music or popular television programs or the like, its quite obvious that the effeminate handsome man dominates the scene, and this is at least what i speak against if i am ever to utter the phrase. As i said there's nothing wrong with this kind of man- but an entire generation of them would drive me right up the wall, mostly because the same culture creating them also tells them its ok to be a giant bag of douche(not all of them of course but far to many).
So when i say "be a man" i say be different, don't be troubled by that which matters to your facebook status, or girlfriend status, or which vampire you favor most or whatever, find your own path, be your own PERSON, and be strong.
ok so "be a man". Honestly i suppose i don't have much of a reaction to that at this point. The saying is defined by the emotions its bred over the years, and its far to old to be held responsible for its direct relationship to the male definition. Today for me its synonymous with "be strong" and has little to do with what it means to be a man. Truthfully it no longer defines what it is to be a man simply because its associated with emotional fortitude and not all men today are emotionally barren. Not that there is any thing wrong with that, men in touch with their emotions will at the very least be more sane if not more successful in the big city workplace, where this kind of persona is favorable to relieve stress and create a calm work environment.
But i digest<lol, I think the real issue being raised here it whether or not the saying is an "attack" on the woman's ability to be strong, and although i agree that the association of man with strong is an unfortunately misguided development, it is also a natural one due to the way that the term has been used. The truth in my mind, is that the saying when used today is only used in passing when the man saying it assumes the receiver is also a man, and is being used not as an attack on the woman population, but on the cultural outlook of the times we live in as it relates to men. Whether you look at music or popular television programs or the like, its quite obvious that the effeminate handsome man dominates the scene, and this is at least what i speak against if i am ever to utter the phrase. As i said there's nothing wrong with this kind of man- but an entire generation of them would drive me right up the wall, mostly because the same culture creating them also tells them its ok to be a giant bag of douche(not all of them of course but far to many).
So when i say "be a man" i say be different, don't be troubled by that which matters to your facebook status, or girlfriend status, or which vampire you favor most or whatever, find your own path, be your own PERSON, and be strong.
That was so beautiful that I cried Reading it...*Slaps Self* AAAAAAAAARGH MAN UP!!Bon_Clay said:
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Ooooor a coping mechanism to help deal with the pain so that we don't focus on it and let it get us down. It's not being weak or scared to face your emotions, it's about finding a time and place to do it and majority of the areas that men are, are not the suitable environment for that.Island said:
