I don't know, my hateboner is kinda flaccid atm
Everyone is entitle to voice their oppinion, I guess
Everyone is entitle to voice their oppinion, I guess
Before you go defending Phil Fish...
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He totally has a right to his opinion, but there is a much nicer way to tell it. The man asking the question was as Japanese as you can get, and Fish seriously couldn't say something like "their best days may be behind them" or "Unfortunately things aren't looking too good at the moment."
Maybe it is just because I personally dislike blunt responses like that, but he rubs me wrong way. That being said, people should turn down the hate dial a bit, he is not worth it.
Maybe it is just because I personally dislike blunt responses like that, but he rubs me wrong way. That being said, people should turn down the hate dial a bit, he is not worth it.
/ThisKOMega said:
From all the e-hate Fish was getting, I was expecting something of a Mel Gibson with glasses from his interviews. Instead, the more I watch, the more I agree with and appreciate his honesty.
Too often I hear dev interviews being little more than marketing for their latest products with ambiguous or simply non-answers given whenever they're asked to comment on the state of the industry.
I'm thinking the butthurt of neckbeards unable to deal with any sort of criticism (constructive or otherwise) is what has made Fish so demonized. Hell, Kevin Smith has been more blunt in his lectures and yet we all love him.
I suppose it can't be helped that some people will be alright with someone acting completely out of line in a professional environment, to say nothing of being vile and egotistical.
What gets me is that some people honestly think it's alright for the guy to cry foul play, as if him doing the exact same to others just doesn't count because REASONS.
But then everyone's opinions are different, this is basic understanding and really isn't what the entire point is about.
P.S.: And yes, the video I posted really is nothing but the tip of the iceberg.
What gets me is that some people honestly think it's alright for the guy to cry foul play, as if him doing the exact same to others just doesn't count because REASONS.
But then everyone's opinions are different, this is basic understanding and really isn't what the entire point is about.
P.S.: And yes, the video I posted really is nothing but the tip of the iceberg.
Apparently you went to refill your drink during the whole, "I'M GONNA FUCKING MURDER HIM!" emo-rage.Akalabeth said:
So, Fish says what he believes in a bit too direct way for your own way of courtesy, and now we all can act like bitches to destroy that man? Im baffled. Is that american, to dickclubbing people if they dont act like you want? Im seriously asking, because I am from germany and my englishteacher once said to me that you have to conceal it if you are correct someone in english speaking countrys. But I dont ever thought that in any culture, you just can start destroying someone if hes hurting that rule. Or is that the infamous emotional detachment that comes with the new social media? I mean, he excused himself a sentence after he saw that he hurt that man, so calm down, people, to me he just seems to be very invested in gaming.
Fish was a little insensitive with his specific response, but I still agree with the board overall.
Sucks if it crushed that poor guy. Truth can be tough.
Next time best not ask anyone else's opinion.
Sucks if it crushed that poor guy. Truth can be tough.
Next time best not ask anyone else's opinion.
That's why I don't go to concerts, readings, press releases, anything.
I try to ignore the artist behind the art completely, because the former eventually dies and is usually just another human, the art on the other hand, is not.
I gain nothing from seeing a person who "did something", except being dragged into childish quarrels and whining.
I try to ignore the artist behind the art completely, because the former eventually dies and is usually just another human, the art on the other hand, is not.
I gain nothing from seeing a person who "did something", except being dragged into childish quarrels and whining.
Rock on, masked avenger of the night. Can't let that independent game developer get away with, whatever it is you're championing against.Dangit2019 said:
Phil Fish is not the issue here. He appears to be a world-class ****blister, but he didn't invent all the stupid, infantile namecalling that happens on Twitter, Facebook and all the rest of the Internet. Maybe we could stop, hmm?
Didn't he say he was cancelling Fez 2 and walking away from the game industry? Then it's over, isn't it? What's the point in arguing? Whether or not the man is an asshole, it hardly matters now. He quit, it's over, move on. Someone will step up to take his place, it's not like there's a shortage of indie developers.
I don't see why anyone put up with Fish in the first place. All he did was make one dime-a-dozen "artistic" "retro" indie platformer. This asshole should have been kicked out of the industry a long time ago.
Maybe if he doesn't want to be disappointed then he shouldn't be a racist. He's proud because some people who kind of look like he does did something he thinks is note worthy?
It wasn't like he spent years of his life programming, made a game and was like 'what do you guys think of it?' and they were like 'it fucking blows, you suck, quit your job.' He wasn't even tentatively connected to these projects.
It wasn't like he spent years of his life programming, made a game and was like 'what do you guys think of it?' and they were like 'it fucking blows, you suck, quit your job.' He wasn't even tentatively connected to these projects.
Oh, excuse me, but I thought that my perspective would be interesting, because I am an outsider to your culture and maybe have an other angle to that. Its just something I dont understand at all, so I thought its some kind of cultural difference. I didnt want to insult your perspective at all, I am sorry if my 'pretentious bit of garbage' offended you.ticklefist said:
But, you know, that Fish-thing really invested me, and I wanted to give my humble opinion to that discussion.
So go ahead and don't like him, it doesn't matter.kgpspyguy said:
I don't find the content of the video(which is the crux of the thread) to be anything of note. He only said he doesn't like modern Japanese games... whoop de doo. I tend to believe people when they say he's a tit, there's plenty of them around. This just isn't an example of that.
Defending Fish would be easier if he had any concept of professionalism. I watched the video and I don't see why people say "Oh that's he opinion he is allowed to state it"..
Yeah I know right, freedom of speech and all. Thing is he could have got his point across without needlessly humiliating a guy who had a degree of admiration for him. That's probably gone now. I found the maker of Braid, Johnathan Blow interesting to listen to, and he was the only reason I watched the video through. Then Fish started to talk again, and the difference in quality of communication slaps you in the face. I'm not sure why mention that, just I got bored again when he started off. At least when he is blunt it makes some drama.
Yeah I know right, freedom of speech and all. Thing is he could have got his point across without needlessly humiliating a guy who had a degree of admiration for him. That's probably gone now. I found the maker of Braid, Johnathan Blow interesting to listen to, and he was the only reason I watched the video through. Then Fish started to talk again, and the difference in quality of communication slaps you in the face. I'm not sure why mention that, just I got bored again when he started off. At least when he is blunt it makes some drama.
Ugh.Akalabeth said:
That movie was a horrible look at the indie gaming scene. That movie was more of a warning to never work with Microsoft than it was a movie about the conception of indie games. That movie was also known for throwing Phil Fish's partner under the bus by stating that he asked not to be in the movie. It was found that Jason DeGroot (did the music for Fez and Dyad) was asked not to appear in the film due to the dispute between himself and Phil Fish. They also didn't include any of DeGroot's side of the story at all to make Fish's overall story more sympathetic.
That movie's second half (The Phil Fish half) was manufactured like a reality TV show. You could tell he wasn't telling the whole story of what happened. The film creators essentially propped up Phil Fish with this instead of getting the more interesting story of how a business dispute goes down in the indie game scene.
Indie Game the Movie is the last thing people should be watching to learn about Phil Fish.
Why do the people on the panel act like they are some kind of innovative avant garde artists? They make platformers with some kind of gimmick and/or puzzle elements. They shit all over the AAA industry for releasing the same kind of game by releasing the same kind of game. I never got that.