Sure, except it stops being a good plot twist the fiftieth time someone says, "It's a cover-up/conspiracy/nanomachines!" I've never played Mass Effect, so I have no comment. Magic as an explanation for weirdness suits me a lot better than 'secret government technology' because when you're working in a setting that closely resembles the modern world, there's only so far that my willingness to suspend disbelief will stretch. Magic as an explanation only has boundaries when the author sets them down beforehand. Essentially, magic may also be a crutch for poor writing, but it's a sturdier one than an intricately knotted system of cover-ups and conspiracies.Indigo_Dingo said:Metal Gear Solid was already set in a world of government cover-ups, shadowy organisations, mind-fuckery and massive technological advances behind curtains. This was from the Metal Gear.Alex_P said:Poor analogy.Indigo_Dingo said:Well if thats the case, you must logically say that Mass Effect is exceedingly poorly written, as the human race aren't interstellar travellers. Or, you're a huge hypocrit.
There's a difference between putting speculative or fantastical elements into a story and writing a story where those fantastical elements pop out of nowhere to offer a convenient explanation or resolution for some twisted-up bullshit. You know, "Okay, this guy is a wizard" vs. "How'd that happen? Oh, a wizard did it!" -- the former is just genre fiction, the latter is bad writing.
Now, Mass Effect does have its share of way-too-convenient explanatory bullshit, but it's got nothing to do with basic genre conceits like "people can travel through space".
-- Alex
And Star Trek is set in a world full of chronaton particles. That doesn't mean that Star Trek doesn't start sucking just a little bit harder every time chronaton particles actually become the central motive force in the story. See how it works?Indigo_Dingo said:Metal Gear Solid was already set in a world of government cover-ups, shadowy organisations, mind-fuckery and massive technological advances behind curtains. This was from the Metal Gear.
Hmm, I thought Bioshock's plot had big pacing issues though. The plot was hard to really swallow in one play through. I got it with two.darthzew said:Braid. Definitely Braid. In fact, there is no doubt in my mind.
I also liked Bioshock, which had the caliber of a really good novel (intricate story, lots of complex characters, original plot with meaning) although the ending came up short.
completely agreed. only time I ever got the feeling of epic from reading a series of long textual segments.Griever18 said:Final Fantasy Tactics.
One of the best game stories ever IMO.darthzew said:Braid. Definitely Braid. In fact, there is no doubt in my mind.
No I respect that, but at the same time to me it sticks out in a world of bland and predictable FPS shooter stories and makes a statement for itself. A lot of the different twists that it takes are not easy to see coming and it really kind of just presents itself for what it is and doesn't like to hide. That is why I found it one of the best written stories, but as you said everyone is going to be subject to their opinion of what they feel is the best.RAKais said:Killzone? *raises one big eyebrow* I respect your opinion but maybe you should have put the title as Favourite Written Stories in gaming?? Because Killzones is nothing special.I do agree with you on Final Fantasy 12. I liked how Vaan ended up not being the central character and it became more on focusing on everyone than just the lead.bickster said:I have been around the block and have come into gaming where I just play them to really enjoy the story behind it. I find gameplay these days becoming bland and the same,but sometimes stories are just very good. What does everyone feel are some of the best storylines in a game they have ever played. Any genre can count, personally I like these stories
1. Final Fantasy XII
2. Grandia III
3. Killzone (series 1 & 2)
4. Pokemon (ya I know, but it had a nice simple story)
5. Chrono Trigger
Now I haven't played all games out there, this is just a couple I really enjoyed.
Mine would be:
Assassin's Creed
Bioshock
Mass Effect
Halo Series
I'm tempted to put Half Life 2 because I was playing it earlier but now I think about it, it's story is just above par (even if it has awesome Dog in it... why couldn't he come into Ravenholm WITH YOU ¬_¬)
Prototype
I am joking about the above one.
The Darkness