No but sony could make stuff more user friendly and ditch the cell all together. Especially in light of while the cell can do some rather wiz stuff that stuff is not that zomg better than the other console, and the box they built cannot really make use of all that nice blu ray space for hd textures since it simply cannot handle them. Another gen blu ray will pay off and we see those 40 gb disks finally be used for something.Crono1973 said:
Bethesda Admits Missing Skyrim DLC Isn't Sony's Problem
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Skyrim was released on the PS3 so you will never know how people would have reacted if it hadn't been. However, there is a possibility that people would realize no port is better than a bad port that could never get the DLC.arc1991 said:
If Bethesda had said before launch that the PS3 version would have framerate problems and that it wouldn't get the DLC (like Oblivion), how many would have given $60 for it?
So you want them to drop the cell right now, in the middle of a generation? That's not possible and from what I hear the PS2 was a ***** to program too, didn't hurt it though. I know, you are suggesting Sony should have had a crystal ball before the PS3 so they could see the future.cerebus23 said:
Your Blu-Ray issue misses the point, Sony was using the PS3 to push Blu-Ray, not the other way around.
Than they shouldn't have released the game for that system, they didn't release Skyrim for the N64 they did for the PS3 that's the difference if they can't make it run issue a recall.Braedan said:
If you can't make it run don't step up to the plate that simple.
Either way they're just admitting the obvious, it was apparent out the gate that it wasn't optimized properly.Ivan Carvalho Carli said:
Obviously not but as market opens up more to varied devices streaming gaming and the like and those things mature if sony runs the ps4 as they have been ps1 only game in town, and ps2 first, ps3 was dead last and how many former sony only devs were suddenly developing for xbox 360 because the sony never got out of the gate well and shot itself in the foot trying to do the same old same old that worked in the previous gens.Crono1973 said:
xbox became the lead platform it had a better install base most everywhere but japan and then the ps3 became the console you ported stuff over to, xbox used simple direct x unreal etc tools that everyone in the industry is familiar with, then you cut the resolution down and slap it onto the ps3 because the ps3 does not do well with ports.
If ps3 was first again if it had a big lead if it had all those developers locked up then it could have replicated the greatness of the ps2, as it is now it is the low man on the totem pole and people as a whole are not going to be arsed to bother to learn sonys convoluted coding tools that they typically have to send technicians out to teach developers how to use, i mean lets be realistic.
Hard to believe i like sony isnt it?
I think they still have the better games even tho they lost many of their old stand bys. I think they take more chances and therefore make more interesting games in general. And i like that they dont rip people off for online something pc gamers never had to pay for outside their internet costs. MS comes along and oh no you want to play you have to pay, insult to injury is how people tend to behave on xbl chat and your paying for all that wonderful goodness.
cerebus23 said:Obviously not but as market opens up more to varied devices streaming gaming and the like and those things mature if sony runs the ps4 as they have been ps1 only game in town, and ps2 first, ps3 was dead last and how many former sony only devs were suddenly developing for xbox 360 because the sony never got out of the gate well and shot itself in the foot trying to do the same old same old that worked in the previous gens.Crono1973 said:
xbox became the lead platform it had a better install base most everywhere but japan and then the ps3 became the console you ported stuff over to, xbox used simple direct x unreal etc tools that everyone in the industry is familiar with, then you cut the resolution down and slap it onto the ps3 because the ps3 does not do well with ports.
If ps3 was first again if it had a big lead if it had all those developers locked up then it could have replicated the greatness of the ps2, as it is now it is the low man on the totem pole and people as a whole are not going to be arsed to bother to learn sonys convoluted coding tools that they typically have to send technicians out to teach developers how to use, i mean lets be realistic.
Hard to believe i like sony isnt it?
Your post was incomprehensible. I am sorry but I am just guessing with my answer because I can't make heads or tails out of what you are trying to say. Commas are your friend.
Anyway, this is Bethesda's fault, not Sony's. Somy releases a console and it's up to developers to either make games for it or not and if they choose the former, they need to make sure the games work competently. This is Bethesda's failure and even they admit that. Atleast Bethesda is honest in that regard.
Bethesda knew from Oblivion that they would run into this problem but they went ahead and released it on the PS3 anyway, at the same price as PC and 360. Now, PS3 owners bought an inferior product and they will likely never get the DLC.
I repeat, it isn't Sony's fault when developers make bad ports! Sony released a console and the specs of that console have not changed.
It. Is. A. Bethesda. Game.
Bethesda games are buggy on all platforms. Always.
If you make products that are buggy, of course on a platform that's more difficult to work with, they will be more buggy.
Yes, it's Bethesda's fault, but why are people surprised when their games don't work?
Bethesda games are buggy on all platforms. Always.
If you make products that are buggy, of course on a platform that's more difficult to work with, they will be more buggy.
Yes, it's Bethesda's fault, but why are people surprised when their games don't work?
To be honest, I'm just waiting for the 'we can't do this, sorry' announcement. I'm not mad or anythin', kind of sucks but hey, what can ya do?
The issue (probably) goes along with save file issues, which goes along with the PS3's split ram issue. So, I'd imagine Bethesda would have to rework their saving mechanisms in-order to get it to work, which probably requires a-lot of work, or work-arounds.
I'd imagine they would have released it but Sony[footnote]Not that is bad, I wouldn't want to buy DLC and have it completely ruin my files, wreck my frame-rate or something[/footnote] is kind of stickler for stuff, considering the ME3 MP events.
The issue (probably) goes along with save file issues, which goes along with the PS3's split ram issue. So, I'd imagine Bethesda would have to rework their saving mechanisms in-order to get it to work, which probably requires a-lot of work, or work-arounds.
I'd imagine they would have released it but Sony[footnote]Not that is bad, I wouldn't want to buy DLC and have it completely ruin my files, wreck my frame-rate or something[/footnote] is kind of stickler for stuff, considering the ME3 MP events.
disgruntledgamer said:
I Can't respond to every time I've been quoted about this because I would be here all night but I will say this:
It seems to me that Skyrim does run on the PS3. It would be a much bigger deal if it didn't. But we're talking about DLC here, which DOESN'T run on the PS3, because it can't handle it.
This isn't me being an Xbox fanboy, I own a PS3 and a PC. I would just rather have no DLC than super shitty DLC.
Ok Bethesda, sit down for a second lets chat. Let me ask just one very simple question. WHY did you not just test the PS3 version of the game before shoving it in stores?!?!?!?! I could care less if the DLC will ever hit the PS3, I just want to know why you don't bother to test your own games?! Its mind numbing!!!
People still play Skyrim? Seriously though I didn't see anywhere in the actual article that these comments append from that sheds any new light on the situation.
Hines had never said it was Sony's or anyone else's fault, there was no "admitting" anything. They have always stated that they are completely incompetent at their jobs, and that they sure do appreciate that people buy their tyro attempts at coding shit properly like every other developer currently in business.
Perhaps the latter statement is heavily implied.
Having played Oblivion, Skyrim, and FO3 extensively I have to figure that Morrowind must have been unaccountably amazing to have given Bethesda such blind and unfaltering devotion by the industry and fans alike. They can literally overhype and under deliver on every aspect of their games from the broadest features to the most remedial of technical/performance issues and then take over a year to get around to fixing 20% of their problems.
Its a good thing they aren't in the business of making cars. They would put out one decent model, then for the next 10 years they would have recalls and class action lawsuits when the headlights microwave the car in front of you and the airbags are full of nails.
Hines had never said it was Sony's or anyone else's fault, there was no "admitting" anything. They have always stated that they are completely incompetent at their jobs, and that they sure do appreciate that people buy their tyro attempts at coding shit properly like every other developer currently in business.
Perhaps the latter statement is heavily implied.
Having played Oblivion, Skyrim, and FO3 extensively I have to figure that Morrowind must have been unaccountably amazing to have given Bethesda such blind and unfaltering devotion by the industry and fans alike. They can literally overhype and under deliver on every aspect of their games from the broadest features to the most remedial of technical/performance issues and then take over a year to get around to fixing 20% of their problems.
Its a good thing they aren't in the business of making cars. They would put out one decent model, then for the next 10 years they would have recalls and class action lawsuits when the headlights microwave the car in front of you and the airbags are full of nails.
Sure it runs on the PS3, until the save file gets too big. It's like Super Mario 64 running fine until you got 30 stars.Braedan said:
I like how you left out the best option for DLC "DLC that works". See, they had the same problem with Oblivion and they ignored it and released on PS3 anyway and here we are again, PS3 owners not even getting the option of DLC.
I hope you're joking. Surely it's not unreasonable for a consumer to expect a game they buy on a platform it's marketed for to actually work.Braedan said: