Bethesda: People Who Say Graphics "Don't Matter" Are Usually Lying
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Bethesda obviously hasn't heard about Minecraft or how many units it has sold before it has even gone gold.
Oh, and btw....graphics are not as important as other details that actually require more work and polish. Saying graphics are the most important is a copout to not bothering with dealing with gamehooks and fun.
Oh, and btw....graphics are not as important as other details that actually require more work and polish. Saying graphics are the most important is a copout to not bothering with dealing with gamehooks and fun.
Okay, quit reading my mind! You will get lost in the fathomless tunnels in there.rofl jet said:
i cant resist i'm sorryChechosaurus said:
i heard you like mudcrabs ('>')
im sorry sorry sorry *hates self*
I've never said that graphics don't matter. I just say that there are far more important things that go into a game.
Also, I find it odd that this is Bethesda saying this based on fallout 3 and new vegas, neither of which have very good graphics.
Also, I find it odd that this is Bethesda saying this based on fallout 3 and new vegas, neither of which have very good graphics.
I think in shooters it matters but in most other games they are irrelevent, Final fantasy though allways haveing visually appealing games could still make good games as in FF7 I dont notice the grapics at all after the first hour as I just need to get in a groove
Bethesda: People Who Say Graphics "Don't Matter" Are Usually Lying
this from the people that couldn't make an interesting game -.-,
when are people gonna learn, good grfx HELP a game, even sell it, but they are hardly the most important part, don't care how pretty it is if the rest of the game sucks (story or game play)then the disk is bound for a pawn shop, or game stop.
square has this problem now to >.> sure they look pretty, but there's nothing else there worth the money
this from the people that couldn't make an interesting game -.-,
when are people gonna learn, good grfx HELP a game, even sell it, but they are hardly the most important part, don't care how pretty it is if the rest of the game sucks (story or game play)then the disk is bound for a pawn shop, or game stop.
square has this problem now to >.> sure they look pretty, but there's nothing else there worth the money
I'll always stand by my opinion that 2d graphics age better than 3d graphics, I can comfortably play Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger on my Snes but Morrowind despite being an awesome game is just for too aged for me now :<.
Graphics do matter to some extent but they should be suitable to the style of the game. I agree with the person who said graphics don't matter but art style does. I would freaking love someone to release an 'old school' snes rpg with the same style of cartoony top down graphics but advanced modernised gameplay I just have a soft spot for that kind of style.
They shouldn't be all that matters, an awesome game is an awesome game full stop. Games like Minecraft and that horribly addictive game 'Dwarf Fortress' kind of proves that.
Edit I agree with what people are saying about square FF13 is gorgeous but no one wants to play a film.
Graphics do matter to some extent but they should be suitable to the style of the game. I agree with the person who said graphics don't matter but art style does. I would freaking love someone to release an 'old school' snes rpg with the same style of cartoony top down graphics but advanced modernised gameplay I just have a soft spot for that kind of style.
They shouldn't be all that matters, an awesome game is an awesome game full stop. Games like Minecraft and that horribly addictive game 'Dwarf Fortress' kind of proves that.
Edit I agree with what people are saying about square FF13 is gorgeous but no one wants to play a film.
Graphics matter only in so much as I can tell what's what at a glance. Aside from that, I really don't care that much.
For everyone saying they don't, why are you not laying text based games and atari games any more? I rest my case
OT: Of course graphics matter, they change the amtosphere, allow for greater emotional development of characters and they can make a bland generic town go to a bustling place of wonder. However I say it's more the art style because look at call of duty, loads of money spent on graphics and it still looks like arse. Look at Braid, Limbo and most xbox live arcade games, they are all low end graphics but due to the art style they still look beautiful.
There is one major exception though, minecraft. A game in such low resolution but is so unbelievably good to play that any comments on graphics just melt and die. It is still played today and it will still be played 10 years later
OT: Of course graphics matter, they change the amtosphere, allow for greater emotional development of characters and they can make a bland generic town go to a bustling place of wonder. However I say it's more the art style because look at call of duty, loads of money spent on graphics and it still looks like arse. Look at Braid, Limbo and most xbox live arcade games, they are all low end graphics but due to the art style they still look beautiful.
There is one major exception though, minecraft. A game in such low resolution but is so unbelievably good to play that any comments on graphics just melt and die. It is still played today and it will still be played 10 years later
Sometimes when the graphics are too good, immersion is actually lost as you start noticing it a LOT more. "Ohh, dem graphics are shinyyy... oh look, I'm sitting in a chair with a controller with a machine processing the world for me, I AM SO IMMERSED"
Here's the thing. The graphics for Minecraft fit the theme incredibly well. I go as far as saying most "Hi-Res" texture packs for Minecraft look like ass and don't have the same charm as the classic skins.Booze Zombie said:
Thing is, especially for a game like Skyrim, having good graphics only serves to increase the total immersion into an epic fantasy world.
As far as making sales go, sure graphics matter; peeps see shiny, peeps buy shiny.
but there are so many things which also matter in making an enjoyable game, that saying something matters gets pretty vague.
graphics, controls, story - scripting & plot, audio - music, effects, vocals, genre, stability, system requirements, mood (and many others) all 'matter'
where does it stand in the big list of 'matters'?
I'd say around the middle,
controls, plot, stability and system requirements, genre are more important imo,
if it doesn't match what they want, then they wont buy / like it.
scripting, audio and mood are all on par or lower than graphics, as they can all be tweaked or ignored by the gamer.
but there are so many things which also matter in making an enjoyable game, that saying something matters gets pretty vague.
graphics, controls, story - scripting & plot, audio - music, effects, vocals, genre, stability, system requirements, mood (and many others) all 'matter'
where does it stand in the big list of 'matters'?
I'd say around the middle,
controls, plot, stability and system requirements, genre are more important imo,
if it doesn't match what they want, then they wont buy / like it.
scripting, audio and mood are all on par or lower than graphics, as they can all be tweaked or ignored by the gamer.
Fully rendered hair that interacts with environmental physics?HellsingerAngel said:
Several engines that can do that already exist. What they can't do is render it in realtime. Not a problem of the engines it's a problem of there being insufficient processing power available to do it... or, more specifically the people who could put together that sort of processing power aren't going to waste it on real time hair rendering.
Here's the thing. This was all in relation to The Elder Scrolls, so that really takes gameplay, story, and play time off the table. Now mind you this is coming from the PC gamer's perspective, where I have access to mods that fix all the short falls of the original gameplay. Still, I really think The Elder Scrolls series really isn't in danger of missing the mark on gameplay, storyline, etc. So now, the consideration really is: What about graphics?
As far as any other game goes though, graphics should be the icing on the cake, not the flour. A game does not live on graphics alone. Storyline and gameplay are what will really catch my attention. This is why I still play Deus Ex and System Shock 2 instead of playing Gears of War.
As far as any other game goes though, graphics should be the icing on the cake, not the flour. A game does not live on graphics alone. Storyline and gameplay are what will really catch my attention. This is why I still play Deus Ex and System Shock 2 instead of playing Gears of War.
"Bethesda's VP of marketing Pete Hines thinks those people are full of it. "There's a lot of people who say graphics don't matter," Hines said in the most recent OXM Podcast. "To them I usually say 'you're lying.'""
Yeah well you know what, Pete? I think you're full of it- I agree that people will look at a screenshot and make a snap decision whether they're interested or not, but usually that has something more to do with... oh I dunno... the actual game content over how it looks.
Take for instance, the Skyrim screenshot at the top of this article. What do I learn from it? That it looks nice? Neither here nor there. That the main character wears handlebar horns and looks like an idiot? Yes. That the game has dragons, and therefore is yet another Medieval game doing the 'me too' fantasy would approach? Yes. That's told me enough: not to want the game, and graphics had nothing to do with it. (And I realise that magic is Oblivion's 'thing', but the gameplay is still the way it is)
And if you really want to get pedantic, Pete probably shouldn't be holding graphics to such a be-all-end-all standard when most of what I hear about Skyrim is how godawful the water looks.
Yeah well you know what, Pete? I think you're full of it- I agree that people will look at a screenshot and make a snap decision whether they're interested or not, but usually that has something more to do with... oh I dunno... the actual game content over how it looks.
Take for instance, the Skyrim screenshot at the top of this article. What do I learn from it? That it looks nice? Neither here nor there. That the main character wears handlebar horns and looks like an idiot? Yes. That the game has dragons, and therefore is yet another Medieval game doing the 'me too' fantasy would approach? Yes. That's told me enough: not to want the game, and graphics had nothing to do with it. (And I realise that magic is Oblivion's 'thing', but the gameplay is still the way it is)
And if you really want to get pedantic, Pete probably shouldn't be holding graphics to such a be-all-end-all standard when most of what I hear about Skyrim is how godawful the water looks.