Steve Butts said:
Zom-B said:
Okay, speaking from this perspective then, that the Watchmen character's biographies have been exhausted, all the relevant bits covered, why do we still get multiple(!) new Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc. comics every month? What in the living, breathing fuck can anyone do with Superman or Batman that hasn't already been done to death? Seriously, somebody like the Joker should have been killed dead for good decades ago and probably at the hands of Batman himself. But no, we get endless retreads of these characters year in and year out. Yet finally DC wants to utilize different characters but because they are from Watchmen all the boo birds come out and decry the lack of "new blood, new ideas", meanwhile they've just comic from their local with a stack of DC comics featuring characters that have been exhaustively chronicled for decades.
It's a silly double standard. I'm sorry, but the 12 issues of Watchmen is barely enough room to scratch the surface of so many characters and I can't see the harm in giving them to a teams of talented artists and writers and seeing what they come up with.
I think you argued against yourself there. My objection to the DC prequel is that the story has already been told. You counter that DC keeps churning out endless retreads of core properties like Batman and Superman. That's exactly my point. What is this prequel if not more of the same thing that you already object to? I think it's easier with characters like Batman and Superman where the biographical details are limited to a single origin story and then a couple of major events that are sort of floating in time. One of the things I really liked about New Frontier was the way Cooke tried to make biographical details consistent with a real timeline. That's more interesting to me than watching Peter Parker struggle with the same teenage problems for 50 years.
I suppose I may have argued against myself slightly there, but my point still stands. What separates Superman from Dr. Manhattan? They're both godlike beings (Dr. Manhattan presumably being a literal god after has transformation, but that's besides the point) capable of stupendous feats. What makes Batman worthy of decades and decades and thousands and thousands of issues of comics but Nite Owl's story is done and over, never to be touched again? I mean, how many times have we been subjected to the origin stories of these characters? Dozens? Hundreds?
Sure, I think that reading Batman year after year after year after year would get boring and repetitive pretty quickly, but it's not really a close comparison to hold up the millions of words and panels that make up Batman's history against 12 issues that Nite Owl appeared in and call them the same thing. Batman's story has been told far, far more thoroughly and exhaustively than Nite Owl's ever was, but you don't object to a new take on Batman, a new issue, a new writer, a new artist. Yet, the hallowed Watchmen by Princess Alan Moore is untouchable?
It's a double standard, through and through. I mean, you can't tell me that there's nothing, absolutely nothing more, to experience in the life of Dr. Manhattan, yet hundreds of thousands of people like you (I don't know, are you a Supes fan?) read Superman year after year, watching him... ? What does he do? The same things he always does? Pretends to be Clark Kent, wears glasses, pines after Lois Lane, marries Lois Lane, divorces Lois Lane, is menaced by kryptonite, defeats enemies, dies, comes back to life then does it all over again?
I just don't understand how anyone can condemn Before Watchmen without automatically condemning any of the other giants in the comic industry. If you support Batman or Superman in any way, shape or form but condemn Before Watchmen you're either mired in a double standard, a hypocrite or both. (Not you personally, Steve, the general "you")
The story of Batman has been told. As has Superman's, Spiderman's, Green Lantern's, Wolverine's, etc., etc., but these characters thrive year after year. So clearly, it's not about the
stories, it's about the characters and the icons they've become. It's about seeing them do things, even if it's the same things repeated. Why can't the characters of Watchmen enjoy this same luxury? Why can't we see what the Mintuemen were doing that wasn't chronicled in Watchmen?
Look, I'm not saying that Before Watchmen is going to be good, or that it's even necessary, but I am saying that we can't judge them until we've seen them. I'm also saying that nothing that Before Watchmen can do will change what Watchmen is. It will still be a seminal example of graphic storytelling and still loved by it's fans.
I also think that Alan Moore made his own bed and now he has to lie in it. Everyone likes to claim how smart and intelligent the guy is, so if that's true, he knew what he was getting into when he signed a contract with DC to publish Watchmen. He
knew the terms of the contract and he still chose to get into that bed with them. It smacks of sour grapes that he would even bother commenting on Before Watchmen. As far as I know, Moore has been offered opportunities to re-visit Watchmen at least twice and declined both times. He's done with Watchmen and clearly feels he can't do anything more with the characters. Is that because the characters have no more stories to tell, or is that because Moore himself simply can't bring those stories out?
I don't know the answer, but at least someone out there feels that the characters in Watchmen have more adventures in them.