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Great read! Agree with the whole Griffons thing not working, bugged me ever since I saw it on "How it should have ended" the first time. You just put it in words better then me.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Never noticed the plot hole you mentioned though, I just assumed Sauron thought Aragon had the ring, like in the book. (witch I read before I saw the moves, mind you.) But now that you mention it, Souron really should have known Frodo hat the ring.
The only one I can think of at the moment, although it's not really a plot hole, is the end of Independence Day where the crop duster pilot flies into the ship's doom ray causing it to explode. Baring in mind this thing has shown it can shoot through ENTIRE SKYSCRAPERS, how exactly does a relatively small aircraft in the path of the beam cause a catastrophic backfire? It could be that he just flew into it, but he seemed to slow down just short of the beam.
Yeah, no kidding.Noelveiga said:
A plot hole is information that contradicts what has been previously established, guys. It isn't something that has been "left out". That's just being vague.
OT: Fredo killing the assassins in The Godfather Part II. For those of you who haven't seen this movie (all three of you,) Fredo's character is a weak, cowardly little weasel who is double dealing against the family. We're supposed to believe that he overpowered several armed gunmen in the span of a few seconds. To quote Robin Warder from Cracked:
"This is not a man who suddenly overpowers two assassins in the middle of the night and slits both of their throats. This is a man who hides in the closet during thunderstorms."
Yeah, the "here, take this thing you crave more than anything else" plot hole IS a plot hole, though a movie specific one.Mojo_22 said:Great read! Agree with the whole Griffons thing not working, bugged me ever since I saw it on "How it should have ended" the first time. You just put it in words better then me.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Never noticed the plot hole you mentioned though, I just assumed Sauron thought Aragon had the ring, like in the book. (witch I read before I saw the moves, mind you.) But now that you mention it, Souron really should have known Frodo hat the ring.
(Am I correct in assuming that the Nazgul possess telepathic abilities?)
Well, despite having ninja'd you, you still get this one.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
That was a great and very funny read, so you can have this one.
Maybe I'm missing something but I always wondered in ME2 where the hell you got one of the seeker insects from (the one Mordin analyses to create armour that protects from them). When did we pick that up? there was no mention of it at all.
Of course there are other plot holes in ME2 but that one stood out quite a bit too me.
Of course there are other plot holes in ME2 but that one stood out quite a bit too me.
actually they explain that while protecting new vegas, house shut down from all the system failures. survivors and citizens of the nearby vault then emerged and explored. when house woke up/rebooted (i dont quite remember) he activated his securitrons and took control.TizzytheTormentor said:
at least i think so
.OT:borderlands 2 spoiler
in borderlands 2, they never explain how a bunch of random vault hunters (AKA the player characters) manage to kill a god that was supposedly unkillable, that then spits out modern weaponry despite having been dormant for god knows how long.
Okay everyone in the thread, stop typing for a sec and click on this link
http://badassdigest.com/2012/10/30/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulk-vs.-plot-holes-and-movie-logic/
Secondly every single person talking about Lord of the Rings. STOP.
The Lord of the Rings is written on a higher level, talking about great powers and will. It's written in the way the Bible talks about God doing stuff (but His will was turned against them). Practicalities do not matter in Lord of the Rings and a hobbit dies every time someone starts talking about them (but what about if the orcs painted themselves in a grey and covered themselves in leaves and used Nazguls to spot for them and they built a really giant bow for the trolls...). It does not matter. Think about the ring, apart from invisibility it conveys no particular magical power, it's not a +5 to dexterity, it doesn't summon comets. It has the power of Sauron and Saurons will and malice and thats why it's powerful. The specifics of magic almost don't exist in Lord of the Rings, but instead everything is a function of the power level and character of the participants.
So the reason none of these practical things work is because they're just not important to the story of Lord of the Rings. It's not about the specifics of the travel but the epicness that accompanies it. To be honest they aren't even important in something like A Song of Ice and Fire. This goes for Harry Potter too, there is a good fanfic called Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality that deals with the very nitty gritty practicalities of magic and the inconsistencies but it doesn't matter in actual Harry Potter because you're meant to be saying OMH Look at all the fantastical magic.
What it does show is that if you try to apply this nitty gritty stuff to something like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings then you end up telling a story that in no way resembles Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
http://badassdigest.com/2012/10/30/film-crit-hulk-smash-hulk-vs.-plot-holes-and-movie-logic/
Secondly every single person talking about Lord of the Rings. STOP.
The Lord of the Rings is written on a higher level, talking about great powers and will. It's written in the way the Bible talks about God doing stuff (but His will was turned against them). Practicalities do not matter in Lord of the Rings and a hobbit dies every time someone starts talking about them (but what about if the orcs painted themselves in a grey and covered themselves in leaves and used Nazguls to spot for them and they built a really giant bow for the trolls...). It does not matter. Think about the ring, apart from invisibility it conveys no particular magical power, it's not a +5 to dexterity, it doesn't summon comets. It has the power of Sauron and Saurons will and malice and thats why it's powerful. The specifics of magic almost don't exist in Lord of the Rings, but instead everything is a function of the power level and character of the participants.
So the reason none of these practical things work is because they're just not important to the story of Lord of the Rings. It's not about the specifics of the travel but the epicness that accompanies it. To be honest they aren't even important in something like A Song of Ice and Fire. This goes for Harry Potter too, there is a good fanfic called Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality that deals with the very nitty gritty practicalities of magic and the inconsistencies but it doesn't matter in actual Harry Potter because you're meant to be saying OMH Look at all the fantastical magic.
What it does show is that if you try to apply this nitty gritty stuff to something like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings then you end up telling a story that in no way resembles Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings.
I can't quite remember but I seem to remember Auron grunting, holding himself and turning away when Yuna was sending. I think people can resist if they're prepared and out of the way (afterall, they struggled to send Seymour)TizzytheTormentor said:
All of Skyfall.
Every 10 minutes there was a plot hole, contrivance, or something that was just not explained. Sometimes a combination. It was pretty awful. I can suspend my believe in most Bond's but this apparently 'gritty, realistic, current' Bond movie had more holes then any other Bond.
Every 10 minutes there was a plot hole, contrivance, or something that was just not explained. Sometimes a combination. It was pretty awful. I can suspend my believe in most Bond's but this apparently 'gritty, realistic, current' Bond movie had more holes then any other Bond.
He had the stone, which doesn't resurrect you, it lets you talk to the dead, and he didn't have the cloak or the wand when he died. I like the deathly hallows (not overly much) but I still can't figure out why he came back to life, or why they didn't just make Harry look like somebody else in the beginning of the book, that way they wouldn't put several others in danger, or why nearly everyone had to be paired up with somebody else with no foreshadowing.ph3195k9 said:
Personaly I would have at least tried to fight Isildur, but seeing that he had a ring that just a few time ago swooshed hundreds of dudes so easily I would have been afraid.Agow95 said:
I didn't read the books, so I don't know if anyone used the ring at that point, so I'm not sure, yet I would have at least tried to kill him fast and from a distance.
captcha: weakest link. Maybe Elrond is... the weakest link.
I figured Sauron thought there was just the one hobbit in the posse and when the Witch King was like, "Yo Big S, tha hobbit done got the ring", Sauron answered Pippin's palantir call, spotted a hobbit and decided clearly that this audacious little shit was the one who had the ring, and was now abusing the palantir the same way he was abusing another of Sauron's toys.j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:Gizmo1990 said:Right, I'm going to end this 'Eagles' nonsense right here and now. The Eagles are not a plot hole in Lord Of The Rings, for the following reason. The following is a picture of Sauron as represented in the LOTR films:TheKasp said:
While the books imply that Sauron is more of a metaphorical eye than a literal fiery one, both the film and the book share the same thing in common: to be caught directly in Sauron's gaze is to suffer the biggest case of mind-rape this side of Cthulhu. Having the Dark Lord stare at you is akin to having your soul stripped from its bones. Lest we forget, in the film adaption of Fellowship, Frodo twice is caught in Sauron's gaze, and each time it reduces him to the state of a rabbit caught in the headlights. The second time, he damn near throws himself off the top of a watchtower to escape Sauron's glare.
Remember this scene?
Additionally, in the books (and partly in ROTK) we get even more insight into the effect Sauron's presence has on mortals. Pippin looks into the Palantir, gets directly caught in Sauron's presence, and has a mental breakdown as a result. When they find him, he's a complete wreck. Only Gandalf's semi-telepathic abilities are able to bring him back to any kind of normalcy, though even recollecting the experience is incredibly painful for him thereafter. Similarly, Lord Denethor was also ensnared by Sauron using a palantir, and went completely mad and devoid of hope as a result. Aragorn looks into the Palantir to challenge Sauron, and in his own words the Dark Lord nearly breaks him. The others feel that the encounter prematurely ages him somewhat. Saruman looked into the palantir, and was so driven to despair by Sauron that he felt the only viable option was to end up siding with the big bad.
That is the effect that being looked at by Sauron has. The strongest willed characters in the story are driven to the point of madness, and lesser characters are completely crushed by his presence. If there is one golden rule in Lord Of The Rings, it is do not directly attract Sauron's attention, as he will rape your mind and utterly destroy you.
So with that in mind, which do you think is a better option? Laying low, and trying to sneak to Mt Doom without catching his attention? Or hopping on the back of the largest winged creatures in Middle Earth, and flying in a straight line directly towards the one character who will turn your mind into sushi just by looking at you'? Bearing in mind that the object that you're supposed to be destroying is actively trying to be found, and will attract Sauron's attention by itself first chance it gets, though it isn't exactly going to be hard for him to miss a posse of giant frickin' eagles headed straight towards him.
All of this is regardless of the fact that he has Fell Beasts and other creatures/weapons to launch at the Eagles in response (the Witch King by himself would be able to flay the minds of any posse of eagles stupid enough to head in his direction, whether or not they bring Gandalf with him), and that as soon as he realises they're heading towards Mordor, rather than say Minas Tirith, he can just send a battalion of Orcs to the top of Mt Doom (remember that he specifically keeps a path clear to the top of the mountain at all times) and have them wait there for the eagles to arrive. Flying directly towards Mordor is stupid in and of itself, simply because Frodo and co would have to spend at least several hours flying directly into Sauron's line of sight, and try to not let their minds turn to complete porridge as a result.
If the Fellowship didn't want to get corrupted, driven to despair or utterly mentally broken as a result of entering a staring contest with Sauron, then trying to avoid line of sight and going the sneaky walking route was the only option. Anything else, including trying to hitch a lift with the Eagles, would have utterly failed due to Sauron's ability to break minds from afar.
Also, the only reason the Ring even got destroyed was because Gollum stole it at the last minute and ended up falling in himself. The whole point was that, when it came to it, Frodo couldn't willingly give it up, and it took an act of god for the thing to be destroyed. If they hypothetically did get to Mt Doom via Eagle transit, and Frodo decided to keep it for himself... how would the Ring get destroyed then? Bearing in mind that a posse of Eagles can't exactly hang about in Mordor under Sauron's gaze while working out what to do next.
If you want a real plot hole from the films, consider this one instead: In The Two Towers, when Frodo and Sam get sidetracked in Osgiliath (ugh!), Frodo gets ambushed by a Nazgul, and in a moment of weird behaviour, actually offers the Ring to the Nazgul hovering before him. The damn thing literally gets within two inches of snapping the Ring back for Sauron.
In Return of The King, Pippin looks into the Palantir, and ends up being tormented by Sauron. According to Gandalf and Merry, Sauron now believes that Pippin has the Ring, and is going to lash out at Minas Tirith pre-emptively as a result.
...except, why would Sauron think that Pippin has the ring in Rohan/Isengard, when he knows for a fact that the Ringbearer was in Osgiliath, the other side of Minas Tirith? His own Nazgul have discovered that Frodo has cleared the distance from Rohan, has ended up on the other side of Minas Tirith and is actually heading his way to Mordor via Osgiliath? Why would Sauron want to attack Minas Tirith when his own emissaries have discovered that Frodo's already cleared past it, and is on his way eastwards?
In the book, Frodo never gets discovered anywhere near Osgiliath, and Sauron's move to attack Gondor comes as result of misdirection from Aragorn fooling him into thinking he has the Ring, and is going to go on the offensive with it. Sauron thinks Isildur's Heir is now the biggest threat, and moves to wipe out Gondor before Aragorn can unite its people under his banner, and use the Ring to assault Mordor. In the film? None of that happens, so none of Sauron's offensive makes any sense. If the Nazgul had seen Frodo in Osgiliath, then surely he would have spent all his resources in capturing Osgiliath, and then from there ascertaining exactly where Frodo went with the Ring, rather than simply assuming Frodo went back to Minas Tirith after already (seemingly) come from there. The whole thing is a mish-mash of illogical tactics and reasoning which don't bear up to scrutiny.
That's a plot hole worth looking at.
I've always had a couple issues with the story from the original Dead Space, but they include some spoilers so spoiler box inbound:
Just a couple lingering issues I had about the game.
1:Ultimately you come to realize what most everyone that played the game should have already known by the start of the game: your wife's already dead. Alright, fair enough. Then why is she the focal point of an escort mission? It becomes clear that one of the indications of a Necromorph outbreak is mass hallucinations spreading throughout people, seeing ghosts and stuff. Soooooo if your wife's a ghost/hallucination....why are the Necromorphs even targetting her? She's not there to begin with. And speaking of her not being there to begin with, how is she able to type in the by-pass or whatever she does that opens up the locked door that you need to go through? Last I checked, hallucinations can't actually interact with physical objects.
2: When you start a New Game + in DS, you're given five or six extra journal documents that give you some more background and lore about the game. One of them is a research document that explains quite clearly that the Marker has some sort of effect on the Necromorphs. Specifically: it sends them into dormancy. Their tissue stops growing and regenerating, they lose energy, again: they go dormant. This is even reflected in the little prequel animated movie that came out just before the game was released, only in the movie the Marker creates an actual invisible forcefield that the necromorphs actually bounce off of when they try to approach the Security Chief who has taken refuge next to the Marker. This leads to the hypothesis that whatever created the Marker specifically put it there to imprison Hive Mind.
Now, I'll give them a pass on the fact that Necrommorphs happily charge at you while you're moving the Marker around back on the planet so that you can listen to the voices in your head and put the Marker back where it belongs and "make them hole". Buuuuuuuut if the Marker sends Necromorphs into domancy (as described in-game in those journal notes that I mentioned), then why would Hive Mind be directing your ghost-wife to have you bring it back? Isn't it the removal of the Marker what freed Hive Mind and unleashed the Necromorphs in the first place? Wouldn't the Marker being returned be the very last thing that Hive Mind would want?
2: When you start a New Game + in DS, you're given five or six extra journal documents that give you some more background and lore about the game. One of them is a research document that explains quite clearly that the Marker has some sort of effect on the Necromorphs. Specifically: it sends them into dormancy. Their tissue stops growing and regenerating, they lose energy, again: they go dormant. This is even reflected in the little prequel animated movie that came out just before the game was released, only in the movie the Marker creates an actual invisible forcefield that the necromorphs actually bounce off of when they try to approach the Security Chief who has taken refuge next to the Marker. This leads to the hypothesis that whatever created the Marker specifically put it there to imprison Hive Mind.
Now, I'll give them a pass on the fact that Necrommorphs happily charge at you while you're moving the Marker around back on the planet so that you can listen to the voices in your head and put the Marker back where it belongs and "make them hole". Buuuuuuuut if the Marker sends Necromorphs into domancy (as described in-game in those journal notes that I mentioned), then why would Hive Mind be directing your ghost-wife to have you bring it back? Isn't it the removal of the Marker what freed Hive Mind and unleashed the Necromorphs in the first place? Wouldn't the Marker being returned be the very last thing that Hive Mind would want?
Just a couple lingering issues I had about the game.
A few things about the Eagles is that
One: they wouldn't be able to fight while carrying any passangers and no you cannot just slap some saddles on them
Two: They become a target for both Sauron's forces and Saurumon's spies in the air.
Three: What if they become corrupted by the ring just as the others were being tempted. Eagles are arrogant and powerful enough that the ring would tempt them.
One: they wouldn't be able to fight while carrying any passangers and no you cannot just slap some saddles on them
Two: They become a target for both Sauron's forces and Saurumon's spies in the air.
Three: What if they become corrupted by the ring just as the others were being tempted. Eagles are arrogant and powerful enough that the ring would tempt them.