Biggest plothole in gaming?
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If you pay attention, he says that Borgia became Pope RIGHT FROM THE VERY START!!!!! The only people who show surprise to him getting the Papacy are the Italian characters, Ezio and the other old assassins. Which makes sense. The modern-day characters show no surprise whatsoever, because they already know Borgia becomes Pope. So no plot hole there. Simply you not paying enough attention when playing the gamesquidbuddy99 said:
.Simple. Explained in the expanded universe. The Forerunners tried to document the Flood and research them, they didn't exactly plan a war. When the war did begin, the Flood were already too far spread and infiltrated too much with the Gravemind to be simply nuked from orbit. They had access to ships and weaponry, not just the lower-tech weapons that John has in the games, but advanced Forerunner weaponry. They had the equipment and intelligence (via the Gravemind) to easily fight a long drawn out war of attrition (with the Maginot Line later, just before the rings were fired), or a simple standard war of shooting guns at each other in a line, or whatever. The plan to starve the Flood by wiping out life in the galaxy wasn't simply a random plan. It was literally the only way left to stop the Flood, and a measure of last resort. It does make sense, in the end.Ninjat_126 said:
Not to mention, the Flood knew what weaponry and technology the Forerunners had, and could plan against them. They had inside info from the renegade AI, Mendicant Bias, remember? (from the Terminals in Halo 3)
In FF6 the status screen will even tell you that a player is unconscious as opposed to dead. Also, in 7, if "death" is really death, why does a body come back to life if you take it to an inn?KefkaCultist said:
Basically, being "killed" in FF7 is being put in a near-death state. You are bleeding out but not dead. This happens in D&D too, you lose all HP but you're not really DEAD until you reach -10 HP, which indicates death as opposed to incapacitation.
Why can a deity pokemon a) be beaten by other pokemon, and b) be trapped and brain-washed by a man-made spherical container?StellarViking said:
Except don't the item descriptions for Pheonix Downs say somewhere "return a party member to life?" I seem to remember reading that somewhere.KefkaCultist said:
Guitar Hero, HOW COME NO IMPORT ALL SONGS?!
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any RPG ever where you get captured by some people you had slaughtered by the millions just seconds ago
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any RPG ever where you get captured by some people you had slaughtered by the millions just seconds ago
A war between nations is not a civil war, so yes, I did refer to the squabble over the throne business. I don't know if you've noticed this before, but reports of destruction spread quite easily. There is no way that all of Ferelden could have been ignorant of the incoming Blight, given numerous reports of destruction.CrustyOatmeal said:
As for the elves, yes, they were in bad shape. That still doesn't explain why the idiot who started the curse led them back into the forest in the first place, though that might have just been out of his own vanity. Also, why don't the werewolves just wipe the elves out? Yes, the forest spirit has something against that, but there is literally no opposition to the beasts!
Uhm, then how the hell did that dragon get down there? Or for that matter, how could the dwarfs not have known about the broodmother (or the delightful porn of it)? And don't forget, you actually see a bloody army of darkspawn marching down there. Man, those dwarfs must be really good at fightin' them darkspawn considering how much attention they pay to them.
Ooh wait, I've got another one: where the hell did the mage faction that summoned the sloth demon come from? I played as a mage, and I did not hear of any such organization when I started in the tower. Or did they just form after my amazing betrayal of my supposed best friend? I'm sure they were all awestruck by his masterful use of the emo I'm-cutting-myself-and-sprinkle-things-with-blood magic. But whatever, I don't exactly expect coherence from Bioware games, or fantasy stories in particular. I just enjoy poking holes into them while playing the game, basically the same approach I take with SyFy original movies.
FFVIII. Guardian Forces eat your memory. Just kidding, only that one very plot-crucial memory that you all happened to share.
HerbertTheHamster said:
Zeratul mentioning and him actually experiencing the end of the universe caused by Kerrigans death might have helped his decision.
Heartless die in one hit in cutscenes, it's the dreaded Squaresoft Syndrome where cutscenes follow a slightly different canon where recovery items and XP don't exist. Also, there are keyblades that massively boost attack power, as an alternate explanation. Maybe Sora shoulda stolen that one and one-shotted through the rest of the story.One Hit Noob said:
Not sure on the exact wording, but if it does say that then it's by this: a pheonix down is restoring their life. revitalizing, if you will. They may not be dead, but they've had the life knocked out of them and are now unconscious so the downs revitalizes the party member to a state wherein they are able to act. a.k.a. life.King of the Sandbox said:
Yep (although in D&D it's also possible to return a "dead dead" character to life with a revive spell and I don't like bringing that up in these debates because theres a revive materia in FF7 and I can't explain that one lol)Nieroshai said:
Kingdom hearts 2 (As silly as this sounds)
The whole first game is about how the big dark things are bad and how Sora is the chosen of this keyblade, and cause of that he's awesome and the only one who can stop it...
KH2 rolls around: Lets see...who doesn't have a keyblade in this game? (not counting world-centric characters) um...uh...Donald and Goofy, thats about it. What really got me was how Riku somehow managed to get ANOTHER one even though Sora DESTROYED ONE HE HAD in the first game.
Lol its so silly, but if you're going to go through the trouble of writing a plot, at least make it click with what was being said in the first game, there were a bunch of other things there too...those holes organization XIII used? those are actually giant plot holes.
The whole first game is about how the big dark things are bad and how Sora is the chosen of this keyblade, and cause of that he's awesome and the only one who can stop it...
KH2 rolls around: Lets see...who doesn't have a keyblade in this game? (not counting world-centric characters) um...uh...Donald and Goofy, thats about it. What really got me was how Riku somehow managed to get ANOTHER one even though Sora DESTROYED ONE HE HAD in the first game.
Lol its so silly, but if you're going to go through the trouble of writing a plot, at least make it click with what was being said in the first game, there were a bunch of other things there too...those holes organization XIII used? those are actually giant plot holes.
In FF5,King of the Sandbox said:
they actually did try to revive Galuf when Exdeath mortally wounded him, even going so far as to using Arise on him, which didn't work
Ridgemo said:
Actually the whole point of the game is that they CAN'T kill her, if you played through the Zeratul missions you see the future in which Jim, did kill her. Let me tell you, it's NOT a pretty place. The whole point is that they need Kerrigan to control the zerg to prevent the entire universe from being overrun by Hybrids.
My favorite plot hole ever is how the character reputed to be the purest, most sin-free woman ever born decides not just to fuck the devil but to become queen of Hell, despite the knowledge that Satan is more evil and heartless than Dante will ever be. It is also a plothole, as the Inferno is based on the Christian mythos, that all the demons in the game other than Satan were humans once. Demons are angels who follow the devil.
It's not just that I'm mad that this would happen. I'm mad because by Beatrice's character this occurrance is absolutely impossible. Another plot hole: if Beatrice was so pure, why did she sleep with Dante and wager her soul away? Normally these wouldn't be plot holes, but if you're going to base a game on a story, at least get the basic important things about a character right. It's like saying the events of Wolfenstein for 360 are based on a true story. Only if you squint real hard...
It's not just that I'm mad that this would happen. I'm mad because by Beatrice's character this occurrance is absolutely impossible. Another plot hole: if Beatrice was so pure, why did she sleep with Dante and wager her soul away? Normally these wouldn't be plot holes, but if you're going to base a game on a story, at least get the basic important things about a character right. It's like saying the events of Wolfenstein for 360 are based on a true story. Only if you squint real hard...
