BioWare Breaks Down Mass Effect 3 Game Modes
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A few other people have pointed out that Hudson had nothing to do with Dragon Age, but they're getting ahead of themselves.Paragon Fury said:
Even if he were in charge of both, the quote reads "franchise", as in not plural and referring only to Mass Effect.
Oh you have just got to be fucking kidding me. How fucking stupid does the industry think gamer's are? Mass Effect 3 is a 17+ rated game. You're not dealing with fucking eight year old's here.
Also, the whole "gamer's have avoided the game because they're not good at third person shooters" argument. Bull-fucking-shit. The Mass Effect series specifically blends elements of both third person shooters and role playing games. If Bioware wanted a game that caters to every single idiot on the planet then maybe they should have made Mass Effect a facebook flash game or something. I mean what the fuck is next? Shooters that play themselves? RPG's that make all the choices for you? Oh, wait...
This industry trend to make games available to virtually every person on the planet is full of shit. How the hell can you make a good RPG game if you spend half the development time trying to cater to racing games fans? The end product will be neither a good racing game nor will it be a good RPG.
Also, the whole "gamer's have avoided the game because they're not good at third person shooters" argument. Bull-fucking-shit. The Mass Effect series specifically blends elements of both third person shooters and role playing games. If Bioware wanted a game that caters to every single idiot on the planet then maybe they should have made Mass Effect a facebook flash game or something. I mean what the fuck is next? Shooters that play themselves? RPG's that make all the choices for you? Oh, wait...
This industry trend to make games available to virtually every person on the planet is full of shit. How the hell can you make a good RPG game if you spend half the development time trying to cater to racing games fans? The end product will be neither a good racing game nor will it be a good RPG.
Needz moar RPGz!!!1!
Seriously, what is this? I thought Bioware wanted an rpg, not an action game for the casual-gamer crowd.
I'm don't like where this is going, but I suppose we'll just have to wait to see how it turns out.
Seriously, what is this? I thought Bioware wanted an rpg, not an action game for the casual-gamer crowd.
I'm don't like where this is going, but I suppose we'll just have to wait to see how it turns out.
As for part A, I don't remember Bioware dumbing down the original Mass Effect. I also recall people liking it that way (except for the vehicle sections and some complaints about the inventory screens). I realize that they mean new players however and since it isn't a 100% change to pander to new people I guess I can't fault them on adding different modes while keeping with the original mode.Andy Chalk said:
As for part B, it sounds like a setting easier than easy mode. Honestly though, I would probably use it after a run-through on RPG or, standard mode. I'm a bit curious as to why they didn't touch on Role Playing mode to be honest...could it be that Mass Effect 3's RP mode will be more similar in play style to the original Mass Effect? Could it be they had this planned out from the start? It could be that Mass Effect was meant to show off the RP mode whereas ME2 was there to show off the Action mode. Well, there's my wild speculating done.
As someone else said though, I'm going to be miffed if there are achievements exclusive to one play-mode over another (not counting difficulty settings)
I may not be a fan of hardcore RPGs but Mass Effect is my exception. I have never played a Mass Effect game that overwhelmed me in terms of choices or action. Even on insanity it was a fun and easy to pick up and play experience. That said if Bioware wants to dumb down the action or story for the newbies why not? So long as they remember that the Hardcore Vets came for a satisfying conclusion. And as long as RPG mode = the traditional ME experience then I say action and story mode are completely irrelevant to me because RPG mode is where I'm gonna Be!!!
Sounds like RPG Mode is the way to go for me. I want to do everything in the game, not let the game do some things for me.
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OT: Sounds good to me. I probably won't play anything but RPG mode, but it is nice to know that the options is there for the people who want it.
RPG mode for me. I love the story AND the combat. I just hope, as others have said, that we can adjust the combat difficulty. I like playing through on something like Veteran the first time and then jacking it up to Hardcore or Insanity on the second playthrough. It's one of the few games I can actually master on high difficulties and gives me a lot of satisfaction in doing so. Don't make me play RPG mode on normal! It'll be too freaking easy!
I dont like this at all, but the only saving grace is that they at least added the option to have (shooter) combat become obsolete too, so they werent biased at least. I think if they hadnt, I probably wouldnt have even bothered getting the game because of what they would have said about their priorities.
It seems pretty stupid to me, having to choose an option to play the game in its optimal condition, as opposed to half-ruined, but thats why I think this idea is stupid. But since its the optional kind, Ill just have to ignore it and concentrate on other things that arent optional like how much gameplay variance there is or how good the plot and dialogue is and how much of it there is.
It seems pretty stupid to me, having to choose an option to play the game in its optimal condition, as opposed to half-ruined, but thats why I think this idea is stupid. But since its the optional kind, Ill just have to ignore it and concentrate on other things that arent optional like how much gameplay variance there is or how good the plot and dialogue is and how much of it there is.
...Hyper-space said:
Are you listening to yourself? Mass Effect a complex game? My friends and I were playing fucking C&C Tiberium Sun when we were 11.
Yeah, moving around 3D space might be daunting for new-comers - which is why they've the first level always much easier than the others (fewer enemies, constant info drip on controls, linear levels, etc). And there's literally nothing complicated about Mass Effect that isn't explained away in the first few minutes i.e. moving, shooting and taking cover. The first game's modding system and item management has been removed as well.
What more hand holding would you need in such a linear game?
I'm not moaning about the modes themselves, I'm just baffled at today's gamers.
For anyone who is defending Bioware on their decision to include "Action Mode" and attacking those who oppose it: Most of these people are probably concerned what this may mean for Bioware's future games. There have been many scary warning signs as of late and this is one of them.
But where's the mode for me? I can't be bothered with actually playing the game, I just want to watch the cinematics.
Bioware, please delay the game another 4 months and program this mode in.
Being serious now, I think this is really starting to take hand-holding too far. The problem isn't exactly having options since the "classic" game mode is still there, most people shouldn't be bothered, right?
Well, the problem is creating these modes takes time (and I think it's safe to assume the game really was delayed for these "modes") and money, resources that were presumably diverted from the actual "core" game since any project will have a finite amount of resources.
It's true, the extra sales might bring in a greater investment so that, realistically, nothing was actually detracted from the game, but who can say if that's really the case?
And before anyone says that a AAA game shouldn't suffer from budget problems, I'd like to point out Deus Ex Human Revolution, the ending on that game was so horribly cut short and rushed I expect they had to choose between a proper ending and keeping the fucking lights on.
Bioware, please delay the game another 4 months and program this mode in.
Being serious now, I think this is really starting to take hand-holding too far. The problem isn't exactly having options since the "classic" game mode is still there, most people shouldn't be bothered, right?
Well, the problem is creating these modes takes time (and I think it's safe to assume the game really was delayed for these "modes") and money, resources that were presumably diverted from the actual "core" game since any project will have a finite amount of resources.
It's true, the extra sales might bring in a greater investment so that, realistically, nothing was actually detracted from the game, but who can say if that's really the case?
And before anyone says that a AAA game shouldn't suffer from budget problems, I'd like to point out Deus Ex Human Revolution, the ending on that game was so horribly cut short and rushed I expect they had to choose between a proper ending and keeping the fucking lights on.
This really doesn't remove anything from the game. It just adds a couple of option presets that you don't even have to use. It's for people who want to use them. And it's a lot better than dumbing the game down for everyone. More developers should do this.
How exactly? They are not removing the RPG elements. If anything, they are adding more of them (from 2 anyway). They just added an option to the options menu to have the game automatically select the dialog options for you, like auto-level up (which has existed in games for years, and I have not yet heard people whine about that). Not really a big deal as I see it.Fappy said:
I meant at the end of Mass Effect and the beginning of Mass Effect 2, where Anderson can indeed become Counselor as per player choice. The writers have had to take some concessions with the narrative in order ensure that they can write cohesively for the final game.Sucal said:
This I don't mind so much, as Anderson's departure from the council can be explained logically given the nature of his character, as opposed to the plothole in DA2 as I understand it. I also prefer that Bioware deliver a cohesive and engaging narrative instead of trying to pull together a clusterfuck.
Indeed.Selvec said: