BioWare Employee Busted in Dragon Age 2 Review Scandal - UPDATED

Alphavillain

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Oh, the horror of it. Are people really surprised that things like this happen? I'll say it once again: the internet enables people to post anonymously, thus leading to behaviour that is often -in fact, usually- at odds with "normal", real-world behaviour. Worse things are happening at sea.
 

Aptspire

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Ps ...it's also just one person who did that, so I don't see the point of blowing this out of proportions :/
 

Knight Templar

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Brother of Alpharius said:
Knight Templar said:
Brother of Alpharius said:
Knight Templar said:
As I have said before. I do not see the issue in a single user review.
It's not actually just a single review. There's been several Bioware employees who have written 10/10 reviews on Metacritic, it's just that Avanost is getting more attention because of /v/.
That makes it highly inappropriate but still not a big issue.
It is a bit of a big issue when Bioware tries to cover it up, along with deleting threads and banning users on their forums which/who mention the issue.
Well that is a big issue.
 

FROGGEman2

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Bah, that score bombing has been going on for ages. /v/ decided it hated this game (pre-release) for whatever reason.

Oh well.
 

Pete Lenau

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Sure, it's unethical to throw out 10's without disclosure. Like the story says, it really could be his opinion. But why bomb the reviews online? Does it really make the game bad?

And honestly, who bases their purchasing decisions on metacritic user scores? Every game has a handful of great scores and a handful of "I hated it" scores. It's like movies or anything else....without a frame of reference of what this person is like and likes, a number doesn't mean jacks--t.

That 2 for the new game? Written by someone who only picked up gaming beyond the yearly Madden. That perfect 10? Fan of the series. Does that mean they know you will like it? No, you dummy. There is a reason why demo's are increasing in number. Gamefly rentals anyone?

Sure, I read reviews too. But only from sites and reviewers I've agreed with. Cause if their reviews have accurately reflected my views of the game beyond a number score, then I'm likely to agree with them.
 

Orthon

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Well, since we all enjoy our DA2-stories with a conspiracy-twist as of late, let me convice you it was all a plan. You see, my theory is that this reddit user is in on it. How have I reached this conclusion, you ask? Well, let me explain:

1. This reddit user is clearly insane.
Or, as I suspect, part of this elaborate, multifaceted scandal! You see, most people would at the sighting of this so-called objective review assume it's some overenthusiastic fan of Dragon age 2 who's desperately trying to make the Metacritic-score better, and lessen the impact of the other raging, non-biased Metacritic-reviewers.
This individual, however, probably taking time off from solving the JFK-assassination, immediately gets suspicious of this review, assuming it to be something far sinister, and decides to go further down the rabbit hole for no other reason. He googles the user, assuming him to having conflict-of-interest, based on nothing but the overzealous review.

2. The Bioware Engineer used his normal username for the review.
Now, this is the second part. This Bioware-engineer is clearly not the sharpest tool in the box. Or, as I suspect, part of this elaborate, multifaceted scandal! Because if you're going to try and be nice to your boss and try and help his game's Metacritic score, at least take on a name that's somewhat untrackable for your review. Like ilovekittens8434 or something to that nature, so you won't be tracked. Instead, the bioware engineer chose this rather unique username, because he wanted to be found out!

Presumably, he and this reddit user dislike Bioware for some reason, could be personal and exciting reasons, like "Bioware, you killed my father! Prepare to die!" or boring, normal reasons like: "I hate my job and want to quit spectacularly."

So they both engineered this bastard scheme to defile Bioware's good name in the gaming community. Clearly, it's the only rational answer.

So, what did you think, if you bothered to read it? Was it OK for a kind of "I'm making fun of conspiracy theorists"-post? Was it too dull? Too long-winded? Bore me with your answers, please.

Also, on-topic: Hardly the first time any gaming company ever did something like this. Doesn't influence my feelings towards Bioware in the slightest.
 

Arisato-kun

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plikis1 said:
Arisato-kun said:
Because one Metacritic user score really matters right? God forbid an employee likes a game from the company they work for. I don't consider this a big deal at all.
Seriously, you don't see anything wrong with a guy making a Metacritic account just to do the most shallow, stupid, PR-like review on a game he worked on? This was (given that this is was not a really smart troll attempt) the most blatantly obvious act of desperation I've seen in a long while. Have you ever heard of 'conflict of interests'? If you have, think for one minute before posting.
Not really. Like I said one Metacritic user review isn't going to make a whole lot of difference. I personally consider all the 0/10 reviews for the game because it's not exactly the same as Origins or the ones that were done in reaction to this PR thing even stupider and borderline childish. Then again those are user reviews too so they hold pretty much the same weight.
 

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Misterpinky said:
ZeroDotZero said:
This just makes me, a genuine fan of the game, look like a Bioware employee.

I can't say I blame the guy though, you would want to try and do something positive to balance out the negativity towards something you worked on. The best intentions, right?
Yeah, no kidding. Not to mention that half the negative reviews were done well before they could've possibly finished or even played DA2 (speaking of fraud...). The Bioware guys were idiots. Unfortunately, the internet is full of people that make them look like freaking geniuses. Color me apathetic.
So, I'll be starting with a nice shade of grey, then moving into more of a slate blue. From there we'll add touches of brown, and finish off with a lovely trim of black.

OT: Is there definite proof that this guy actually made this post, and it wasn't just a troll trying to make the company look bad? People apparently decided to hate the game before they even knew it from all the responses I've read here, so what's to stop someone from trying to throw an employee under the bus?
 

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While it was a bit foolish to do, I am not getting my undies in a twist. I love how some people are all like "RAWR FRAUD, IMA BE ANGRY NOW". Whateves.........I dig the game, not going to QQ over a guy's dumb decision.

I don't see why this event is considered to be that big of a deal.
 

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I just put up a thread to discuss this on the Bioware forums.
Within the hour Stanly Woo showed up and Locked it down.

Make of that what you will.
 

Dragonpit

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While I understand that Bioware shouldn't have pulled that, I find that our behavior isn't very becoming, either. I mean, are gamers really Amazon-bombing the game? Is the game really being condemned because of the company's stupid act rather than its own merits as a mediocre game?
 

Hungry Donner

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EA's defense makes no sense. It is fine for employees to post their own reviews but they need to disclose their involvement in the game. As long as they're up front about their involvement I have no problems whatsoever with them posting reviews in places like Metacritic. (Unless Metacritic specifically forbids this, I don't know.)
 

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There were more quotes from Bioware that the Update didn't include:

"Duh! So, we're asking you now, what are some of your favorite games that these warlock brains produced?"

"We are on a drug. It's called Bioware."

"Boom, crush. Night, losers. Winning, duh."
 

Giantpanda602

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The reason they removed it was because sites like Thr Escapist are giving the reviews bad publicity, so people would think EA put them up to it when it was the employee's own opinions.
 

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Canadish said:
I just put up a thread to discuss this on the Bioware forums.
Within the hour Stanly Woo showed up and Locked it down.

Make of that what you will.
Stanley tends to lock duplicate threads. There will have almost certainly been several of them already. What exactly did he say?
 

GeorgW

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Simply stupid, no other words that can explain it. BioWare have really been going downhill lately.
 

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BloodSquirrel said:
There were more quotes from Bioware that the Update didn't include:

"Duh! So, we're asking you now, what are some of your favorite games that these warlock brains produced?"

"We are on a drug. It's called Bioware."

"Boom, crush. Night, losers. Winning, duh."
This. is. beautiful. The funniest thing I have read all week (so far).

I find it a bit unfair to have a go at this guy for posting a bias review in favour of the game with a 10/10 when it's been blasted with 0-2/10 scores since before it was even released. The way I see it, he had a right to try and balance that out and even if he didn't, the same people yelling bias are the same ones who posted those low scores in the first place.
 

Therumancer

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Hungry Donner said:
EA's defense makes no sense. It is fine for employees to post their own reviews but they need to disclose their involvement in the game. As long as they're up front about their involvement I have no problems whatsoever with them posting reviews in places like Metacritic. (Unless Metacritic specifically forbids this, I don't know.)
Well, they got caught and EA is in a position where it's options are limited. It either has to take the approach it did, or it has to do something to punish the employees involved if it's going to say that what they did was okay (and that means firing them).

The quick reaction like EA makes me think that this was intentional, I've read other articles (some on The Escapist I believe) where there has been discussion about companies using their employees to pump up the ratings of their own products for promotional purposes via things like Amazon, and Metacritic.

It's a dishonest practice because you have the developers promoting the product in concealment, claiming to be satisfied customers, who allegedly started with an impartial opinion. Given that they make money off of this, it's a big deal. It's also sadly possible because there aren't any safeguards to prevent it, and it shouldn't be surprising that something as increasingly corrupt as the gaming industry is angling to do every dishonest thing it can to get ahead.

The thing with Metacritic is that it tries to be more reliable than other ranking systems by intentionally seperating the customer reviews, from professional reviews. I don't think they really considered "promotional spam" by game developers themselves to begin with, however it technically belongs in the "professional" catagory due to their financial stake, as opposed to user reviews which is only affected by what people think of the product. Even someone trolling tends to be a sign tht they find it worth the time to troll about.

At any rate, the specifics of this arguement are kind of pointless, the bottom line is that Bioware has had it's first major failure, and it was a titanic one. Overall this penny ante crap isn't going to have that much of an influance on the ratings overall. If users dislike the game that much, that means something, I mean even trolls have to be motivated. What's more when there is this kind of a discrepency with the professional reviews that's kind of
a sign of why sites like Metacritic seperate them from the user reviews.

Bioware's "promotional spamming" to alter records, especially this quickly and sloppily shows that they are kind of desperate. To be honest I just hope it means that they will learn from their mistakes here, and release better games as a result. They dumbed it down, and cut all kinds of corners as far as the number of areas, the companions, and all kinds of things, and put in this stupid "they fall from the sky" system of zerg rushing thugs. They are quite simply paying the price for releasing a sloppy game. It's probably worse for them because Bioware up until this point had an almost golden reputation. They probably got arrorgant in thinking that people would worship anything they produced with their name on it, and decided to ignore the signs they were seeing when they started changing development strategies with "Mass Effect 2".

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Oh and one final note, I would hope that a professional game designer could come up with a better handle, even a temporary one than to steal from old sneaker commercials. "Lupotheebutcher" being from a series of Converse (I think) commercials where they would have some cartoon wierdo try and destroy a pair of the shoes and fail. I think they did two commercials in the series because they didn't seem to go over very well.

I mean come on, you'd expect someone in the creative industry to do better. Let me guess, he's one of the relatively new hires, right? Maybe that has something to do with how Dragon Age 2 turned out of if was involved rather than the guys making the original game. A fanboy of an obscure, failed shoe commercial series, involved in the development of a failed video game. Hmmmm.... coincidence?

Okay, okay, no need to pick on anyone. I'm actually just surprised I remember the source.
 

Darth IB

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I find myself agreeing with EA on this one. Of course you're allowed to praise your own creation.
My feelings toward Bioware remain unchanged (i.e. borderline worship).
[sub]Also I think DA2 is a great game[/sub]
 

Danpascooch

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MetallicaRulez0 said:
If I helped produce a game and felt it was excellent, I'd sure as hell post perfect reviews all over the web. In DA2's case it helps reverse some of the ridiculous 0-2 review scores from butthurt PC elitists.
So why did he hide that he was an employee? It's bullshit