BioWare Mythic Surprised by Blizzard Real ID Plans
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It only takes a handful of the bigwigs to get the idea in their heads to try to implement something. Even so, the fact that they listened to their players and MVPs says a lot about them (if they were truly infected by Activision, they would have gone ahead with it already and then charged people money to keep their name hidden).Michael Flick said:
Funny this, as Mythic badly misread their community over Warhammer: Age of Reckoning.
For two years those of us that followed the game the longest were wanting an actual war-heavy world-PvP/RvR game and when it arrived it was a WoW-clone with WoW-PvP confined heavily to instances. The world-PvP pools were tiny, with even the largest ones not even taking up half the map. We were promised there would never be a situation where you see an enemy player run past you and you wouldn't be able to attack them. Alarm bells rang when they were splitting servers between 'normal' and 'RvR'.
EDIT: And BioWare Mythic might be about to mis-read it's audience yet again as they're stuffing the 'holy trinity' into The Old Republic MMO. Yes, because we all love being forced into rigid unimaginative roles. Let's see how BioWare Mythic responds to the fan reaction that got.
Now the loyal playerbase has abandoned it = no after-release hype = no more Warhammer online for much longer. It's dying. Who misread their audience first?
For two years those of us that followed the game the longest were wanting an actual war-heavy world-PvP/RvR game and when it arrived it was a WoW-clone with WoW-PvP confined heavily to instances. The world-PvP pools were tiny, with even the largest ones not even taking up half the map. We were promised there would never be a situation where you see an enemy player run past you and you wouldn't be able to attack them. Alarm bells rang when they were splitting servers between 'normal' and 'RvR'.
EDIT: And BioWare Mythic might be about to mis-read it's audience yet again as they're stuffing the 'holy trinity' into The Old Republic MMO. Yes, because we all love being forced into rigid unimaginative roles. Let's see how BioWare Mythic responds to the fan reaction that got.
Now the loyal playerbase has abandoned it = no after-release hype = no more Warhammer online for much longer. It's dying. Who misread their audience first?
Escapists(escapees?) like to defend everything unpopular in order to be able to ***** at everything popular. Except pirates because the news crew likes to ***** at those andPendragon9 said:
Blizzard: Hey we have a new idea!
Blizzard fans: That idea is fucking retarded.
Blizzard: Yeah, ok, you're right, this idea is not really that good.
Eurogamer: So what do you guys think about Blizzard's new idea?
I can't actually decide who I dislike most about this: Blizzard for not thinking this through before opening their mouth, Eurogamer for bring this whole thing up again and Mythic for abusing their position for spouting BS under the "Bioware is never wrong" clause.
It does come down to why there's a need for the rest of Blizzard's customers to know the names of all its other customers. I had at first thought there was a legitimate issue of trying to promote more responsible behavior by displaying real names, but that seems immediately offset by the added risk of harassment beyond WoW when someone can track you back to other online identities, and thus, exposes what should be private information. This isn't whether or not Blizzard knows your real name, as they do (or at least the name of the person paying for your account), but why should that then be provided to the community at large?
Mythic's just responding to a question asked, and they're surprised. I suppose the snarky response from Blizzard could be how they were surprised that WAR was such a bad game.
Mythic's just responding to a question asked, and they're surprised. I suppose the snarky response from Blizzard could be how they were surprised that WAR was such a bad game.
Because the Bioware name functions as a heat shield for Mythic when they say dumb things?John Funk said:Hindsight 20/20.
Also, it's funny, but this thread is like a PERFECT example of why EA changed Mythic's name to BioWare Mythic
Probably meant more like Mythic team gets more profile with the Bioware name included in their official name. Or at least that fewer people may have heard of Mythic than of Bioware. But as for me, it seems that their PR guys can spin this comment either way, no matter how approval of the comment rolls:TsunamiWombat said:Because the Bioware name functions as a heat shield for Mythic when they say dumb things?John Funk said:Hindsight 20/20.
Also, it's funny, but this thread is like a PERFECT example of why EA changed Mythic's name to BioWare Mythic
In case general approval of the comment shows up? "You see - Bioware would never do something like that with their upcoming MMO!"
In case general disapproval of the comment shows up? "Guys...what are you on about? These are the Mythic guys, not the old Bioware guys. Honestly..."
It's a win/win situation for their PR really.
Having said that however, I agree with them. Having it as an option is cool, having it as a neccessity is just plain greed, trying to mask itself under a pretense of 'doing the right thing' about trolling.
Also...hahahah...people here are *already* under the assumption that Bioware Mythic actually has direct input (as opposed to merely being asked about their experience with Warhammer) in SWTOR rather than say.....Bioware Austin, who's actually developing it. I can see this merging of names working to the benefit of both very nicely in the future I think...so long as they keep things aight internally of course.
It's really easy to say 'we would never do that' after you see something that has been deemed a mistake.
I wished Blizzard would have announced plans to ban all posters for being idiots or whiney brats instead. That would be a more efficient way of making the offical WoW forums somewhere you want to go to.
Can't help that this statement feels more like that little kid at school who's very insecure about themselves and must bring up old forgotten dirt about someone else to cover their own back. But in this case, they don't need to.
I'm gutted that Blizzard scrapped the idea. I was looking forwards to trolling people on Facebook.
Can't help that this statement feels more like that little kid at school who's very insecure about themselves and must bring up old forgotten dirt about someone else to cover their own back. But in this case, they don't need to.
I'm gutted that Blizzard scrapped the idea. I was looking forwards to trolling people on Facebook.
And to think they said that it would prevent trolling from happening rather than encourage it! Go figure...scw55 said:
Meh, seriously...bury this RealID crud already. Pointless to debate anymore, just as pointless as it was for the interviewer to bring up this issue specifically to generate more controversy with a possible negatory reply from Mythic.
Hmm... Let's refocus that score just a little bit:Mromson said:
Bioware-Mythic: -1000 for making a pathetic attempt at a mostly-cheap-WoW-ripoff-with-about-1%-new-ideas
+ 1 for having the hindsight to say "Oh, the masses really hated that? Then nonoNOOOOOOooo we never would've done anything like THAT...."
Blizzard: +1000 for making the most wildly popular game ever, MMO or not.
-.0001 for attempting to do something they felt would make the community a better place.
+100 for actually having the balls to suck it up and say "yeah, we guess that was a bad idea" when said community rebelled en masse against it.
So, my toteboard still has it at:
Bioware-Mythic: -999
Blizzard: 1099.9999
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Now, on a more serious note: the fact that Eurogamer would solicit 'expert' opinions from a company that has an MMO that- for all intents and purposes- was a dismal failure is absolute proof of the low standard of journalism on the Internet.
Fuck, at least talk to the makers of Aion, or Champions, or City of Heroes... or any other MMO who didn't fucking bleed subscribers after the first 2 months.
No kidding. I'm surprised how many people think this is BioWare proper and not just Mythic Entertainment with a prefix to give them some cred.John Funk said:Hindsight 20/20.
Also, it's funny, but this thread is like a PERFECT example of why EA changed Mythic's name to BioWare Mythic
Well then you wouldn't want to talk to the makers of Aion OR Champions. Both of those games lost the majority of their population within at least 2 months. And City of Heroes/Villains never had much population to begin with.solidstatemind said:
Warhammer Online and Dark Age of Camelot both had more subscribers than Aion, Champions, and CoX ever had.
Okay, I'll concede that point as I didn't research the exact numbers. I thought I read somewhere that Aion was maintaining about 1.5m subscribers 'on average across all countries' (I'm guessing they do some sort of funny math for the non-subscription countries), which, while laughable next to World of Warcraft, the devs considered to be profitable and is more than Warhammer Online topped out at.AcacianLeaves said:
The point I was trying to make was that a dev that lost over half its subscriber base after 6 months, and shut down the vast majority of their servers after 9 months probably should not be considered an authority on 'what to do for MMO communities'. That still stands regardless of the numbers.
EDIT: oh, and I think you may just be wrong about DAoC. What I just ran across said 350k subscribers at its peak.
350,000 was incredible at the time, and it's also widely considered to be one of the best MMORPGs of all time in its heyday. I know Mythic hasn't had the best track record, but they still hold a lot of clout in the MMO world.solidstatemind said:
I generally don't compare MMO success to World of Warcraft, because it leads to silly shit like calling games 'WoW killers' or companies like EA forcing companies like Mythic to make WoW knockoffs rather than unique games. Everyone wants a piece of the WoW pie, and it's really hurt the MMO genre.
The problem is that when we measure games based on the WoW yardstick, NO developer is going to be considered 'qualified' enough to criticize Blizzard. You could easily make the same criticism of NC Soft, Sony Online Entertainment, or Turbine.
Personally, even after the problems with Trials of Atlantis and Warhammer Online, I still trust Mythic more than any of the other non-Blizzard developers.