Bioware: Next Mass Effect on "The Right Track"
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Since Shepard is out of the picture as a playable character, I will be very disappointed if Bioware doesn't take the opportunity to expand our species choices beyond plain ol human. ME series was a bit heavy on emphasizing humans IMO, it would be nice to explore other species. That being said, I have no idea how they intend to continue the series at this point-the ending to the trilogy seemed rather decisive and I'm not sure how they intend to 'top' the reaper conflict.
The version I paid 80 bucks for is on sale for $8 this weekend. 10% after 18 months. Minority. Right.LetalisK said:
Yes! Lets redo what they did in KOTOR 2 and Dragon Age 2! Because it worked so f-ing well in those games, right? Just keep riding the same damn horse until its well beyond the point of dead. KOTOR 2 was terrible by every imaginable, measurable definition. That's why you're not getting a KOTOR 3 - except for a...what was it again...and MMORPG? No that can't be right -that'd validate my earlier point, so lets just ignore it. We can always go with DA2, a game so universally panned they made ME2 and ME3 to bleach the memories of Dragon's Age from our minds and risk a completely unrelated relaunch of the franchise. If you think those are SMART decisions, then by all means, have Bioware make a new Mass Effect game set in downtown Citadel with a few patched together characters with implied depth and meaning. I'm sure it wont be seen as a cheap knock off and desperate attempt to cash in on fan's love and loyalty. Not at all. Nothing Bioware has done would ever, EVER even hint that something like that could happen.Sidney Buit said:
You're good to go. Hope it pays off mate,
You better tell Steam that sales of year and half old games = shit, then. EA too, since they're trying to copy Steam's model even after criticizing it. Or really anyone else for that matter. Not to imply the person you were talking to was any better, but you are using some horrible logic. Hell, it could be that a majority thought it absolutely stunk, but you're not doing yourself any favors in proving that with your absurd arguments.ticklefist said:
When Commander Sheppard defeated the Reavers and destroyed all Mass Effect devices everywhere in the universe, billions of alien soldiers were left stranded in the Sol system, along with their faction's entire fleet bristling with high-powered energy weapons. They desperately needed food, water, and energy. And the only place to obtain these things was Earth.
Commander Sheppard either rallied Humanity in a desperate preemptive strike against the collective Fleet OR ELSE urged calm and hashed out negotiations, HISTORY IS DELIBERATELY VAGUE ON THIS POINT. But either way the result was a totalitarian state on Earth where everything is desperately rationed and billions are dead from starvation and conflict.
In the middle of all this, a mining team discovered a small Reaver artifact that was inexplicably neither activated nor destroyed following the initial Reaver invasion. It can send a single individual back in time, but the Desperate Alliance wanted to take it apart in an attempt to reverse-engineer Mass Effect technology and reestablish contact with their respective empires.
Sheppard either fights his way into the facility where the Artifact is being housed OR ELSE is unanimously voted as Organic Life's last best hope, and is sent back in time to try and prevent this impossible situation from happening. Then the Desperate Alliance takes the Artifact apart to reverse engineer Reaver technology, because you can do that just as easily after a device's batteries have been depleted as before, you idiots.
From this point you can re-play the game as many times as you like. It hits the major points of events in the first 3 games. Your goal is to ensure that EVERY NPC and race survives and achieves their full potential, that the endgame fight is choreographed and leverages that fucking doomsday device you managed to recover but didn't destroy in the final battle. It's almost impossible to predict how your minor decisions will affect the course of history, but fortunately Sheppard keeps a diary so that each time he reaches the endgame and goes back in time, he can mark which choices he made and what the effects of those choices were.
If you get 100% completion, your shots will turn blue. The rest of the time, your shots are red. If you play the entire game from start to finish, you see the tear-streaked face of a Bioware writer, superimposed over an image of the Galaxy, as he whispers "I'm sorry... we're all just... so... SORRY!"
Then Sheppard presses a button that removes all the oxygen in the universe. Then a Bioware PR rep holds a press conference where he says everyone survived.
There, I just wrote the ultimate sequel to Mass Effect. You're welcome.
Commander Sheppard either rallied Humanity in a desperate preemptive strike against the collective Fleet OR ELSE urged calm and hashed out negotiations, HISTORY IS DELIBERATELY VAGUE ON THIS POINT. But either way the result was a totalitarian state on Earth where everything is desperately rationed and billions are dead from starvation and conflict.
In the middle of all this, a mining team discovered a small Reaver artifact that was inexplicably neither activated nor destroyed following the initial Reaver invasion. It can send a single individual back in time, but the Desperate Alliance wanted to take it apart in an attempt to reverse-engineer Mass Effect technology and reestablish contact with their respective empires.
Sheppard either fights his way into the facility where the Artifact is being housed OR ELSE is unanimously voted as Organic Life's last best hope, and is sent back in time to try and prevent this impossible situation from happening. Then the Desperate Alliance takes the Artifact apart to reverse engineer Reaver technology, because you can do that just as easily after a device's batteries have been depleted as before, you idiots.
From this point you can re-play the game as many times as you like. It hits the major points of events in the first 3 games. Your goal is to ensure that EVERY NPC and race survives and achieves their full potential, that the endgame fight is choreographed and leverages that fucking doomsday device you managed to recover but didn't destroy in the final battle. It's almost impossible to predict how your minor decisions will affect the course of history, but fortunately Sheppard keeps a diary so that each time he reaches the endgame and goes back in time, he can mark which choices he made and what the effects of those choices were.
If you get 100% completion, your shots will turn blue. The rest of the time, your shots are red. If you play the entire game from start to finish, you see the tear-streaked face of a Bioware writer, superimposed over an image of the Galaxy, as he whispers "I'm sorry... we're all just... so... SORRY!"
Then Sheppard presses a button that removes all the oxygen in the universe. Then a Bioware PR rep holds a press conference where he says everyone survived.
There, I just wrote the ultimate sequel to Mass Effect. You're welcome.
so people didn't like the ending of Me3... ok? Bioware went to a lot of effort to add extra content after the fact to "fix" what people didn't like. Now if they didn't do that, and say something like "deal with it" I could understand people being upset still.
Comments like "biggest waste of 60 bucks" come on, get a life and realize not everything revolves around your persona opinion of what a game should be. Was it a misstep sure, was it a colossal failure? not even close. It may not of been the best game Bioware released but it's still a good game a good ORIGINAL IP (which we are lacking these day) and it's still better then 90% of the crap studios throw at us. Perfect? no. Hatred justified? Absolutely not.
Comments like "biggest waste of 60 bucks" come on, get a life and realize not everything revolves around your persona opinion of what a game should be. Was it a misstep sure, was it a colossal failure? not even close. It may not of been the best game Bioware released but it's still a good game a good ORIGINAL IP (which we are lacking these day) and it's still better then 90% of the crap studios throw at us. Perfect? no. Hatred justified? Absolutely not.
Not really? I replay ME2 all the time because a. I want to do all the romance options and b. because I'm fully aware its one of my favorite if not my absolute favorite game of all time. I know games don't get much better than this. But here's the thing. It already exists and is part of a greater universe. Why remake it? Why do another game aping to have the same appeal without the foundation(me1) and the conclusion(me3). the mass effect series works because very specifically its part of something greater than any one games. through all of me2 shepard never misses a beat to say the reapers are and always will be the ultimate threat. Ultimate being a very literal word, mind. Anything as ultimate and monumental as the reapers can't be followed up by just crime fighting in neo space tokyo. It really leaves the gamer with a sense of futility and deminsihment. they tried that in DA2 and it was terrible. I know of only one person who actually liked that game - not more than the original, he just saw it as something more than terrible.undeadsuitor said:Silentpony said:
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I really, REALLY don't want to see that happen to Mass Effect.
I agree with this poster. What the hell Escapist? Are you a gaming site or a PR-site for gaming? "This just in, people trying to sell you this game says it's the best thing since sliced bread! Back to you Dianne!"cursedseishi said:
Back to the article: Yeah, woo...Guys making game swears it's good. You know, the guy making that shitty ZOmbies survival game on steam said it was awesome too, but he lied through is teeth.
I guess anyone's arguments are absurd if you completely avoid the context and create your own. Steam doing deep discounts is every day business. EA doing them is not.LetalisK said:
Oh please, don't pretend you had any context to begin with. Again, not to imply the person you were talking to was any better, but you're just throwing spaghetti at a wall and hoping something sticks, even if it makes no sense. Your initial logical argument, besides ultimately being illogical, was completely counter-productive for you, so you fell back on a crappy argument about a sale with the completely unproven(and probably unprovable) assumption that no less than a 50% dissatisfaction rate could lead to such a thing.ticklefist said:
Lost our shit about how SHITTY it's going to be, right?
You scummy charlatans have no right to hype anything of that garbage to us anymore after the literal scandal that is the ME3 ending. Go fuck yourselves, sincerely.
You scummy charlatans have no right to hype anything of that garbage to us anymore after the literal scandal that is the ME3 ending. Go fuck yourselves, sincerely.
I think assumptions aren't cute, so I won't assume you assumed what I was thinking. I do, however, think it's cute when people copy what I write and change a few words as a counterpoint. Just look at all this cuteness!Sidney Buit said:I think its cute that people keep thinking EA is some kind of monolithic monster that devours souls.Icehearted said:I think it's cute that people think BioWare is still a company and not a corpse stuck on the end of one of EA's tentacles like some gruesome puppet.
EA owned Bioware while it released four of my favorite games of all time: Mass Effect 1, 2, & 3; and Dragon Age: Origins (& Awakening, so 4.5 games). Of those, EA owned them during the development of all but 1, the weakest of the 4, Mass Effect 1.
Of course, cutest of all is the putting of words into mouths. Even cuter when erroneous facts are used to make a counterpoint, and just so terribly cute when these fictitious points only support a subjective argument rather than a factual one; ergo I made this up and it supports my opinion and is by virtue of this a truth.
Cuteness aside, BioWare is a collection of IPs and a brand owned by EA, run by EA, they are in fact EA. Bullfrog went through this once, as did Origin. EA bought Origin and made a RPG into an action game, basically trying to turn something like Bauldur's Gate into something more like Mario Bros. Except with Mass Effect they took a RPG and made it into a 3RD person shooter. Some loved it more than others, but this was reflective of the new direction they call "broader appeal" and others call homogenization, like in the link below. C'est la vie.
Then there's this:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/5946-Why-Do-People-Hate-EA
Wish I could find it, but he's also said pretty much what I did about BioWare, that it's not BioWare except in name only but is otherwise EA.
Hugs-n-Stuff.
Your pal,
Icehearted
well, if they really take their time and EA is not forcing them to rush it, it might be better. at least EA did show some improvement lately.
but im still very skeptical about it. i still love the franchise as such and the extended ending made me play it again with my other characters but well, lets see.
but im still very skeptical about it. i still love the franchise as such and the extended ending made me play it again with my other characters but well, lets see.
It's a lot more than the last five minutes. The entire game past the Quarian/geth action is dreadful (so the entire last third, essentially).undeadsuitor said:Silentpony said:
oh boy
so, a shitty last 5 minutes completely tainted an entire universe and series forever and ever and ever and ever? Talk about over-reacting.
Like...do you ever go back and play ME1 or 2? (I'm guessing no because the sheer sight of the game boxes makes you vomit blood because they wrote a weak ending, but for the sake of a discussion lets assume you like to replay the old games for nostalgia's sake) How can you stomach finding Saren when you know it's just going to end in ME3? the entire franchise is ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuined every story is rruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuined nothing matters cause its ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuined
You can have stories set in the same universe, prior to any big world ending plot. And you don't need to one up any action quota or have any "sequel escalation", go small and focus on characters. Shit, wasn't that the point of Mass Effect 2? That entire game was about Shepard pretty much ignoring the reapers to find some aliens that kidnapped an inconsequential number of humans. But it worked, because the characters were incredibly well rounded and developed, and pretty much carried the game on their backs till the end.
Do that again.
Go small. Do something on Omega. Make a game set in the years Shepard disappeared or something.
seriously, give me a character focused narrative thats set in the mass effect universe and I will eat that up
I couldn't give two shits if the trilogy ended on a whimper.
And, really, the game is full of fundamental flaws in the first 2/3rds that make themselves known only at the end. Saved the quarians? 2 seconds of cutscene. Saved the geth? 2 seconds of cutscene. Saved the geth primes? NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.
Gained the undying loyalty of your crew and saved them all in ME2? thats nice, here's a boring as shit musclehead and a stupid robot character. Dealing with change is hard!
None of your choices in the game - and hence the series as a whole - actually impact the ending one fucking bit. Yes, the last five minutes of a game can ruin the whole series, or at least severely taint it.
edit: Also how the fuck is "Executive in charge of making people buy something says it is cool" news? Come on, escapist.
So the hype begins two or three years before the release? Good job guys! They should create new ip and abandon ME in some dark corner, enough with stupid sequels, prequels, spin-offs! I think many of us had enough and want something fresh.
I want to be optimistic, I really do. I loved mass effect, but the more I think about it, the more I realise I loved mass effect 1. I just don't have a huge amount of faith in bioware anymore.
