Bisexuality doesn't exist

Ilikemilkshake

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AnarchistFish said:
Ilikemilkshake said:
But speaking as a pansexual with quite a few actual bisexual friends, yes bisexuality is a real thing, its not just for people who cant make their mind up or are in denial.
Can you please explain to me the difference between pansexuality and bisexuality?
Its sort of hard to explain, so i'll let the magical font of knowledge known as wikipedia do it for me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

Basically im attracted to People, rather than any specific gender. And i dont really have to find someone specifically physically attractive in order to be romantically involved with them.

To put it humourously, its basically like being Super-Bi
 

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The same works the other way around. Except this time, the heterosexuals say that "maybe you were just experimenting with homosexuality" and the homosexuals say that "you are in denial bladibibla".
While I agree with that being bullshit, maybe I can explain at least the female homosexual view on this. Please understand that I am speaking in general and not about my specific views, but views that I have heard told to me in some cases combined with my own personal experiences.

Straight women ruin it for bisexual women. I will tell you why: Straight men find two women kissing hot. So straight women will sometimes 'fake it' to impress guys at the bar. They are also quite likely to go home with you one night and tell you they were just 'experimenting' the next day.

Straight men on the other hand(generally the same ones who like to watch the girls kissing in the first place), have a tendency to not take gay relationships seriously and are most commonly of the two sexes(in my experience) to be brutally homophobic(It's sexy when a straight girl does it, but a girl who doesn't sleep with men? That's just a crime against nature.). Probably because they are used to straight women for whom being gay is just another way to attract a straight partner. No one wants to date someone who is likely to bring another person into it, especially one who doesn't see you as a real person in the first place and perhaps actively hates you for existing.

I'm sure both sexes have this problem, but I don't know a single gay women who has dated a bisexual woman who at some point wasn't faced with them asking to sleep with men(i said I don't know one, not that they don't exist). This is disgusting in my opinion, those are the bisexuals who contribute to ruining it. If you make a commitment, you make a commitment in my eyes, period, full stop. Some people have a hard time believing that bisexual people can be monogamous with either sex though, for this reason.

After all straight people are straight all the time, gay people are gay all the time, but if a bisexual person has a three year relationship with either sex, they're bisexuality becomes invisible. I can see this being an issue for some who may want to continue with both so as not to 'lose' themselves. Its a long story, but invisibility is a big deal to some. 'Lipstick' lesbians have this problem, so do straight-acting or butchy gay guys. I'm a bit of a butch dyke myself so I don't have personal experience with this. Everyone knows I'm gay when I walk down the street, but personal identity is a big deal. Ask an albino black person.

No one likes to be somebodies experiment, or find themselves in a situation where someone they are dating is telling them they won't be happy unless they let them fuck strangers who probably hate them, so a lot of gay women refuse to date bisexual women or have anything to do with women who date men.

If all of your experiences with bisexuals are straight people trying to attract other straight people by using you as a 'lure', you tend to refuse to want to date this type and not take anyone seriously who tells you they are bisexual.

For the record, I don't know anyone who doesn't think bisexuality exists, just that you have to sift through so much 'fake' bullshit to get to a real upstanding one, that they might as well be leprechauns. If only one in 100 people who tell you they are bisexual are actually truthful, you will start to assume everyone who tells you they are bi is full of it.

Hell, 10% of the population is apparently gay, but you still have pretty much everyone everywhere assuming people are straight first and asking questions later.

Bah, this will be an interesting conversation! I will check back later, but I have to cut to go to a meeting. BOO!
 

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last time i checked bisexuality is still considered a mental illness
i've never met a bi-sexual, always self labeled, who challenged my perception of this theory be it through dialogue or actions.
I'm too old now to have to think about it anyways as all the people i've met who used to think it was hip to be Bi have grown out of it.
Though there can be no doubt that having a Bi girlfriend was the closest i ever got to a 3-way, funny how unappealing that can be when you're the only stable participant.
Are you trolling? I can't tell if you really think bisexuality is a mental illness or not, if you do, where did you check?
 

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Personally, I think bisexuality is the natural state, and identifying as purely homo- or heterosexual is something that has to do more with our culture and our psychological development than anything else. Looking at both the animal kingdom and at human cultures such as Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, heterosexuality isn't exactly the be all end all for what is "natural" or "normal."

That said, I think people refuse to believe in bisexuality because a lot of teenagers go through a phase where they're confused about their sexuality, and they kind of play both fields for a while.

For the record, I'm straight, by the way -- but I see it more as something that developed as I grew than as something that I was born with. No different from the fact that I'm a nerd, really; had I been raised in a different environment[footnote]in the case of my nerdiness, different parents probably would have sufficed to change it. In the case of my sexuality, it would probably take growing up in a completely different culture. I believe that individuals may have an innate tendency to prefer one sex over the other, but I think exclusive monosexuality is a cultural construct, not a biological one. It just happens to be one I'm bound by.[/footnote], or had different experiences growing up, I could have been very different.
 

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Whatever floats your boat. The thing that annoys me is how every fucking teenage girl calls themselves bisexual. Jesus christ, fuck off.
 

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so are hermaphrodites a bi-sexuals gold?
i kid (sort of)

hey, i you want a guy, go get him, if you feel in the moods for chicks, all power to yah.
 

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Pro Trip: don't believe idiots just because they are persistent and numerous.

Example: a lot of idiots insist that we did not evolve from primates but rather god created us by magic. Literally. These people are idiots. It does not matter how many people say this or how often, a lie repeated often enough is not truth.

Bisexuality does exist and anyone who says you are a liar you can tell them to "Fuck off".
I don't believe them. That's not the point.

Just imagine liking lasagna but having to hear from everyone who hears of it that you don't really like it.
You know you like it but everyone seems to think you don't and tell you why you don't.

It's not about doubting yourself. It's just annoying.

Funny thing is that my german friends understand this the best because they get the similar annoyance by people because they always ask if they're nazis and stuff.
 

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It's difficult to relate to peoples sexuality, when it doesn't follow the same ruleset as your own.

I mean, I'm heterosexual, I can't relate to someone who is homosexual when it comes to sexuality. This should be no surprise, but then it shouldn't bother you either. Do you have to explain yourself to people?, maybe feeling a need to explain yourself is half the problem. If people are too narrow minded to see things from your perspective, then they're too narrow minded to offer any sort of advice, so avoid the subject of relationships with them, and talk about something else, it's not rocket surgery.

I know a lot of bisexual people, and people who are legitimately gay who have had girlfriends in the past. Is it society judging you, or you judging yourself by society's perceived standards. I tend to be quite secretive, I mean my last girlfriend never met any of my family or friends, to be honest I don't see what relevance other people have in relationships other than passing judgment... I found it refreshing to have a totally private relationship for once, fuck everybody else. I was able to figure out for myself that she was a fruit-bat.
Maybe your next relationship should be private, don't talk about it with your friends, don't arrange to go on nights out with their friends, for like the first couple of months at least. When your getting to know someone, avoid outside influences that might not be 100% in support of you or your relationship. Then by the time your friends or family do meet your partner, your relationship will already have a foothold, it won't be open for questioning, and if anyone does question it, tell them to piss off and mind their own business.
 

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First of I'm a guy
I think every healthy person is bisexual and that being homosexual or hetrosexual are the extreme cases. The only way I think a person could ever be straight or gay is by being disgusted by the idea of being gay or straight, that doesn't really sound healthy to me. I like girls, but I definitly will at least experiment with boys.
Though I do somewhat understand the idea that bisexuality is a myth, if you ever want to settle down with just one sexual partner, then you'll have to become straight or gay. There are only a few kinds of relationships in which bisexuality is possible, and none of those are considered to be normal.
 

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Steel_viper said:
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Steel_viper said:
last time i checked bisexuality is still considered a mental illness
i've never met a bi-sexual, always self labeled, who challenged my perception of this theory be it through dialogue or actions.
I'm too old now to have to think about it anyways as all the people i've met who used to think it was hip to be Bi have grown out of it.
Though there can be no doubt that having a Bi girlfriend was the closest i ever got to a 3-way, funny how unappealing that can be when you're the only stable participant.
Are you trolling? I can't tell if you really think bisexuality is a mental illness or not, if you do, where did you check?
no i'm not trolling, i just happen to have an opinion based in reality
Why do you think bisexuality is a mental illness?
 

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If the person you're talking about buys into concept of monogamy like the rest of modern society, then I'd be inclined to say yes that he/she is somewhat full of shit. It's like "I'm gay, but only for someone I really like" or "I'm straight just for my girlfriend." Whoever you happen to be with at that time is what defines your sexuality. However, if you were truly polyamorous/polygamist/polyandrous/whatever, then yes you can be bisexual, provided one other partner in the relationship is the same sex as you. Personally, this idea has burrowed its way into my mind. I had a sociology teacher once discuss how much more stable three person relationships are and how marriage counselors are merely fulfilling that role. Would be a great experiment. It's what the guy who invented Wonder Woman did with his life.

I even take this notion so far as to say there's no such thing as "gay" or "straight" either, but that's because I'm nuts and have been told so by many members of the escapist community. It's not like I have barbs on my penis that prevent me from putting it in a man. It is physically possible for anyone to have sex with either gender. I can't even say for sure there wouldn't arise a situation where I would have sex with another male and I don't think anyone can. I don't think this makes me gay or bi. It just makes me like everybody else.
 

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Shiny Koi said:
I have encountered a whole lot of prejudice from both sides of the fence. Here are a whole bunch of examples:

- Being a girl, expectantly, I've been accused of being a wild nymphomaniac to the point where gender is no longer a concern. Basically, people have equated my bisexuality with "slut". Even though I remained a virgin until I got engaged. Get your head around that one.
Isn't being bisexual the same as gender no longer being a concern? If we look past the slut parts of this statement.
 

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lobster1077 said:
Man, ponify makes this thread really sound terribly odd.
I had to install that plugin after you mentioned it. It really does make the thread more entertaining, although I'll be deactivating it shortly; I just wanted to check it out XD
 

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rutger5000 said:
First of I'm a guy
I think every healthy person is bisexual and that being homosexual or hetrosexual are the extreme cases. The only way I think a person could ever be straight or gay is by being disgusted by the idea of being gay or straight, that doesn't really sound healthy to me. I like girls, but I definitly will at least experiment with boys.
Though I do somewhat understand the idea that bisexuality is a myth, if you ever want to settle down with just one sexual partner, then you'll have to become straight or gay. There are only a few kinds of relationships in which bisexuality is possible, and none of those are considered to be normal.
Pretty much what this guy said. We as a society need to do away a little bit with this concept of what a "normal" relationship is among consenting adults. We're getting there, but not quite. Gay marriage is a step, but saying that polygamous marriage is somehow "wrong" or that homosexuality is only okay if they're married would be huge steps backwards.