Bisexuals: The Outcasts of Outcasts.
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The main stigma about Bi's from where i live is that they're only "Bi" for the attention.
95% of Bi's i know are actually just teenage girls who think it'll make them cool if they kiss girls at parties.
But i've never seen any discrimination against ACTUAL Bi folk. (at least not from non straight folk)
95% of Bi's i know are actually just teenage girls who think it'll make them cool if they kiss girls at parties.
But i've never seen any discrimination against ACTUAL Bi folk. (at least not from non straight folk)
The question is why is this news to anyone? People have been persecuted for a number of reasons since the dawn of time. Usually under the excuse of "you're different from me" in varying forms. So, if being gay, bisexual, straight, or asexual floats your boat, then go be the best one or all of the above you can be. People will ALWAYS judge you, no matter what. So it's best not to take most of the flak you get to heart.
Asexual people have it just as bad, what with all the "they don't actually exist", and "they just say that because they can't get any" stuff that gets thrown around. 
But yeah, that is pretty stupid. I don't know why the hell people would believe that. I guess people even people who are supposed to be "tolerant" can discriminate.
But yeah, that is pretty stupid. I don't know why the hell people would believe that. I guess people even people who are supposed to be "tolerant" can discriminate.
Sexuality is awesome and bisexauls are the hottest of the hot!!!1111
Sadly I am just a dumb fat white guy who likes girls ><
Sadly I am just a dumb fat white guy who likes girls ><
How is it outdated as a scale of sexual orientation? I feel it should probably include Asexual, which it doesn't, but how else?Nimcha said:The Kinsey Scale is also very old and quite outdated.
I hadn't actually considered Asexual people. That is a wonderful point and a great note of a much overlooked minority. I'm sure there are some out there who actively identify as asexual, and could, in fact, get some.BreakfastMan said:Asexual people have it just as bad, what with all the "they don't actually exist", and "they just say that because they can't get any" stuff that gets thrown around.
That viewpoint would actually be part of the problem for bisexuals. It's overused by celebrities and those seeking attention that bisexuality gets looked at as something that doesn't really exist. Just thought I'd through that out there.ZippyDSMlee said:
I think its because people think of sexuality as a pure dichotomy like a light switch or binary something can be one or the other, which is rather silly because nothing (Besides artificial constructs) tends to work that way, most things just seem polar because the majorities exist at the poles.
Argh, yes...seems so bizarre, but then it's so commonplace. Gay hatred and denial of bisexuals is a good example, but you see this everywhere...and I do mena everywhere.
There seems to be a fair few people around that are afraid of various different civil rights groups, on the basis that all the minorities will band together and take other, which is hilariously/tragically far from the truth.
Rights groups tend to want rights for one group, and are perfectly happy to fuck other anyone and everyone else...people fighting for equality tend to mean equality for them and everyone above them, and to hell with everyone else.
There seems to be a fair few people around that are afraid of various different civil rights groups, on the basis that all the minorities will band together and take other, which is hilariously/tragically far from the truth.
Rights groups tend to want rights for one group, and are perfectly happy to fuck other anyone and everyone else...people fighting for equality tend to mean equality for them and everyone above them, and to hell with everyone else.
I just see it as someone who will take what they can get, really. And well, being gay; I look at it sorta like I do those teenage girls who go Pagan. They can celebrate the same holidays and still say they're religious without being Christian.
The true "gets thrown into jail" and "pictured as monsters and degenerates" type of outcasts I know of are the omnisexuals. Or if you prefer: the absolute perverts who are shocked at nothing, with an "as long as it's good" mentality.
There are many sexologists who believe we all start our lives as pan- or omnisexuals, and then are molded by various social pressures. It really would solve a lot of personal issues if people stopped caring about those particular pressures. Anyway, are these really essential to the stability of our civilisation ?
There are many sexologists who believe we all start our lives as pan- or omnisexuals, and then are molded by various social pressures. It really would solve a lot of personal issues if people stopped caring about those particular pressures. Anyway, are these really essential to the stability of our civilisation ?
I think someone who labels themselves as "bisexual" is gonna get shit. Because in reality, everyone is a little bisexual. The way we dress, the way we view television actors, all of that is stemmed off of attraction we get off of the same gender, and the need to apply it to ourselves.
It's hard to explain it, but in a way, it exists because it doesn't really exist. Bisexuality really implies that you are hot for both genders, yet it is viewed as "unequal" because there is no end game. Not many cultures and societies are all to hot on having more than one partner. Being bisexual pretty much implies that you can't settle down.
But for fuck's sake, I don't see why anyone would care. I literally can't bring myself to care about who is fucking who on the weekends.
It's hard to explain it, but in a way, it exists because it doesn't really exist. Bisexuality really implies that you are hot for both genders, yet it is viewed as "unequal" because there is no end game. Not many cultures and societies are all to hot on having more than one partner. Being bisexual pretty much implies that you can't settle down.
But for fuck's sake, I don't see why anyone would care. I literally can't bring myself to care about who is fucking who on the weekends.
You're right, let me rephrase. The scale itself works as a crude model of sexual orientation, but Kinsey's studies and his conclusions are rather outdated.jboking said:How is it outdated as a scale of sexual orientation? I feel it should probably include Asexual, which it doesn't, but how else?Nimcha said:The Kinsey Scale is also very old and quite outdated.
Ya know. It always pisses me off even more when people who have been victims of abuse then abuse others.
So any homosexual or transwhatever who then treats bisexuals poorly just because of their sexuality is not even a double ****. They are a quadrupal **** who should be discriminated against.
And while I am on the subject. Everyone who says "Everyone is a little bisexual." stop projecting your stuff onto us. Because no, not everyone is bisexual at all.
So any homosexual or transwhatever who then treats bisexuals poorly just because of their sexuality is not even a double ****. They are a quadrupal **** who should be discriminated against.
And while I am on the subject. Everyone who says "Everyone is a little bisexual." stop projecting your stuff onto us. Because no, not everyone is bisexual at all.
That is precisely why a lot of gay and straight people don't like them. For those of us who aren't attention seeking whores/celebrities, it puts us in the position of if we date the opposite gender we're "straight" if we date the same gender we're "gay" but never bisexual because to a lot of people it doesn't exist because of attention seeking whores and celebrities who throw it around because of whatever reason they have. Just makes it harder for certain people to be accepted no matter what community you are talking about. From the ones I know personally, most of us just ignore it. I honestly couldn't care less. I know who I am and what I am and I'm happy with it so screw everyone else who doesn't accept me and pay them no mind.jboking said:
Can you explain this? That doesn't make sense to me at all.JoesshittyOs said:
Erm, there is totally an end game. It's the same as everyone else's end game: either shack up with as many fun people as possible (aka the Barney Stinson [http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/15000000/Barney-Stinson-barney-stinson-15066651-842-1191.jpg]) or find your One True Love[sup]TM[/sup] (aka the Marshall [http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18800000/I-m-Cuddly-*****-marshall-eriksen-18854000-370-330.gif]). And, just like in standard heterosexual relationships you can end with one partner, two, three, or a harem depending upon your fancy.JoesshittyOs said:
Now personally, even though I'm a bisexual I still prefer only one partner. It's just what I like. I also know straight people who prefer open relationships. It all just depends on your tastes.
Bi now, gay later.
Part of the reason gays don't trust bisexuals, I think, is that, in the first place, bisexuality is seen as a sort of middle ground between heterosexuality and homosexuality; generally, it's probably more palatable to parents and to homophobic friends--if a dude at least like girls, then he isn't a total homo, the thinking goes. (I just noticed you touched on this in your original post, but I'm not going to delete all that.) There's also a bit of evidence to suggest that, at least in men, it doesn't really exist; most men who identify as bisexual are almost exclusively into men or exclusively into women. Also, it's trendy. In a poll on another forum I just happened to be reading today, just under half the population went both ways, apparently. It wasn't an LGBT forum or anything.
Anyway, I haven't noticed a lot of discrimination against bisexuals in general, but maybe that's because I'm not bisexual. "Pansexuality," however, seems to be the cool thing now at my school's GSA and among the supportive people I know.
Part of the reason gays don't trust bisexuals, I think, is that, in the first place, bisexuality is seen as a sort of middle ground between heterosexuality and homosexuality; generally, it's probably more palatable to parents and to homophobic friends--if a dude at least like girls, then he isn't a total homo, the thinking goes. (I just noticed you touched on this in your original post, but I'm not going to delete all that.) There's also a bit of evidence to suggest that, at least in men, it doesn't really exist; most men who identify as bisexual are almost exclusively into men or exclusively into women. Also, it's trendy. In a poll on another forum I just happened to be reading today, just under half the population went both ways, apparently. It wasn't an LGBT forum or anything.
Anyway, I haven't noticed a lot of discrimination against bisexuals in general, but maybe that's because I'm not bisexual. "Pansexuality," however, seems to be the cool thing now at my school's GSA and among the supportive people I know.