Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban

[Zeromaeus]

Who cares if someone has a swastika emblem? As far as I'm concerned it just goads people into killing them more.
Besides, if you really want to be clever, you could use the symbol for the Sinestro Corps from the Green Lantern comics:
Just look at Sinestro:

He's essentially Space Hitler.

Spoiler: Me...

If I had Black Ops and deigned to make my own emblem it would likely be either the blue or red lantern corp symbol.
While promoting peace and hope in a war game is hilarious:

I tend to play like a blood knight, so the red corp is very relevant:

So my point is basically, who really cares? All the previous games pretty much trained you in the art of killing virtual nazis. Put that training to use and kill the guys pretending to be virtual nazis.
...
Online of course.

 

[HippySecond]

So erm, why is this ok on the Ps3 but not XLive?

 

[JDKJ]

Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.

I disagree with your retort, snappy and symetrical it may be. The symbol means what it means today, and that's how it's taken. Like the article said, XBL is not the place to argue the semantics of this shape. Sure, it derives from runes. And yes, it is also a very important symbol throughout Asia. The thing is, I doubt that even half of the funsters who'd use the symbol on XBL would do so for the sake of runic, Hindu or Buddhist symbology.

Emphasis on your word "doubt." Which I assume is another way of saying you don't know that as any kind of certainty beyond all dispute.

And what then is your point? Who are you to tell me, the writer, of how much emphasis was or wasn't lacking in my words? You've quoted me, yet somehow seem to think you've one upped me on something?

Now, unless you have something other than the complete obvious to share, what was the point of your message? That I can't prove my last statement above and beyond dispute? Well I never tried to, hence my use of the word "doubt", which you've clearly noticed. The word means what it does, and that's why I used it.

So, do have any empiracal findings to share, or what?

"The word means what it does, and that's why I used it."

And which is why I place the needed emphasis on it. To underscore the fact that your statement in which it was contained isn't any where near an empirical finding. And since you've presented no empirical finding, I don't feel compelled to present any of my own.

 

[UberNoodle]

I have to admit first thing that comes to my mind when someone mentions word "swastika" are Nazis and then Buddhist symbol. However I don't find it offensive . Would it be wrong of me if I said ppl should just move on? Yes you should forgive but not forget, but seriously does dwelling on it help anyone? Nazism, racism, and violating people rights in any way should be condemned, hell it should be rooted out. We all know that people tend to jump to conclusions, and using swastika as an emblem is provocative despite your intentions. Give ppl ability to put anything on their emblems and of course they're gonna misuse it. It surprises me that ppl can still take anything attention seeking individuals do on internet seriously; much less let it affect them in any way.

If "using [a] swastika as an emblem is provocative despite [the user's] intentions," then it would seem to me that the root of that problem lies not with the user but, rather, with those who would be provoked. If so, then it would seem to me that the solution lies not on the user's side of the equation but, rather, on the side of the provoked.

Xbox's decision to ban the user and ignore the provoked is a lot like America's War on Drugs. Target the drug-producing countries outside of America and ignore the demand for drugs inside of America. That strategy hasn't worked very well, I don't think.

But then you promote a society where poeple don't give a sh!t about others' feelings or well-being simply because it's "your problem". Western culture has been taking a steady dive towards this self-centred attitude for a long time. The idea is that people have the right to do what they want. Fair enough, and you do. However people also have the right not be confronted if they don't wish to be. It isn't any of our right to dictate to others what they should and shouldn't be upset about. If they are, then they no doubt have good reason. Forcing such things upon them and then telling blaming them for being offended (while legitimising the action with trite assertions of pesonal freedom), is against human decency. XBL does constitute a public space, and like any other, common courtesy should be observed.

"If they are, then they no doubt have good reason."

If being a hyper-sensitive whiner is what you call a "good reason" to be upset, then you've got a point. But if that's the case, then I suspect we may need to go far beyond the mere banning of swastikas in order to ensure that the hyper-sensitive whiners of the world aren't upset. I suspect that the list of things likely to upset them is long. Very long.

And while we're at it and if we're taking requests, can we ban the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners? There's nothing that upsets me more than the the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners. I'd like to exercise my "right not be confronted [by their whinings] if don't wish to be."

Yeah right, and you know exactly what's running through the minds of these people. I see. As for whiners, you might have to be careful about how your actions could be perceived to the wider world. And if you wish to exercise your right not be to confronted by certain poeple or situations, then don't go around inviting such confrontations.

HOnestly, you really don't have a leg to stand on. XBL is a closed system with its own rules. It is not the outside world. Abide by the rules or leave. It's as simple as that. If you really think that your rights have been violated for not being able to use a symbol, then leave XBL.

The sensible, mature and considerate route would be to realise that your not the centre of the world and that more than just yourself lives in it. Giving up an urge or desire for the sake of a more harmonius society/community is an admirable quality. Whining when you can't have all the toys you want, definately isn't in the same league.

Bye now. I've had enough of our, "discussion".

 

[JDKJ]

I have to admit first thing that comes to my mind when someone mentions word "swastika" are Nazis and then Buddhist symbol. However I don't find it offensive . Would it be wrong of me if I said ppl should just move on? Yes you should forgive but not forget, but seriously does dwelling on it help anyone? Nazism, racism, and violating people rights in any way should be condemned, hell it should be rooted out. We all know that people tend to jump to conclusions, and using swastika as an emblem is provocative despite your intentions. Give ppl ability to put anything on their emblems and of course they're gonna misuse it. It surprises me that ppl can still take anything attention seeking individuals do on internet seriously; much less let it affect them in any way.

If "using [a] swastika as an emblem is provocative despite [the user's] intentions," then it would seem to me that the root of that problem lies not with the user but, rather, with those who would be provoked. If so, then it would seem to me that the solution lies not on the user's side of the equation but, rather, on the side of the provoked.

Xbox's decision to ban the user and ignore the provoked is a lot like America's War on Drugs. Target the drug-producing countries outside of America and ignore the demand for drugs inside of America. That strategy hasn't worked very well, I don't think.

But then you promote a society where poeple don't give a sh!t about others' feelings or well-being simply because it's "your problem". Western culture has been taking a steady dive towards this self-centred attitude for a long time. The idea is that people have the right to do what they want. Fair enough, and you do. However people also have the right not be confronted if they don't wish to be. It isn't any of our right to dictate to others what they should and shouldn't be upset about. If they are, then they no doubt have good reason. Forcing such things upon them and then telling blaming them for being offended (while legitimising the action with trite assertions of pesonal freedom), is against human decency. XBL does constitute a public space, and like any other, common courtesy should be observed.

"If they are, then they no doubt have good reason."

If being a hyper-sensitive whiner is what you call a "good reason" to be upset, then you've got a point. But if that's the case, then I suspect we may need to go far beyond the mere banning of swastikas in order to ensure that the hyper-sensitive whiners of the world aren't upset. I suspect that the list of things likely to upset them is long. Very long.

And while we're at it and if we're taking requests, can we ban the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners? There's nothing that upsets me more than the the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners. I'd like to exercise my "right not be confronted [by their whinings] if don't wish to be."

Yeah right, and you know exactly what's running through the minds of these people. I see. As for whiners, you might have to be careful about how your actions could be perceived to the wider world. And if you wish to exercise your right not be to confronted by certain poeple or situations, then don't go around inviting such confrontations.

HOnestly, you really don't have a leg to stand on. XBL is a closed system with its own rules. It is not the outside world. Abide by the rules or leave. It's as simple as that. If you really think that your rights have been violated for not being able to use a symbol, then leave XBL.

The sensible, mature and considerate route would be to realise that your not the centre of the world and that more than just yourself lives in it. Giving up an urge or desire for the sake of a more harmonius society/community is an admirable quality. Whining when you can't have all the toys you want, definately isn't in the same league.

Bye now. I've had enough of our, "discussion".

"Bye now. I've had enough of our, "discussion".

And that does what, pray tell? Guarantee you the last word? That's really quite "[t]he sensible, mature and considerate route" to take. Clearly you're an expert on such matters.

 

[UberNoodle]

Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.

I disagree with your retort, snappy and symetrical it may be. The symbol means what it means today, and that's how it's taken. Like the article said, XBL is not the place to argue the semantics of this shape. Sure, it derives from runes. And yes, it is also a very important symbol throughout Asia. The thing is, I doubt that even half of the funsters who'd use the symbol on XBL would do so for the sake of runic, Hindu or Buddhist symbology.

Emphasis on your word "doubt." Which I assume is another way of saying you don't know that as any kind of certainty beyond all dispute.

And what then is your point? Who are you to tell me, the writer, of how much emphasis was or wasn't lacking in my words? You've quoted me, yet somehow seem to think you've one upped me on something?

Now, unless you have something other than the complete obvious to share, what was the point of your message? That I can't prove my last statement above and beyond dispute? Well I never tried to, hence my use of the word "doubt", which you've clearly noticed. The word means what it does, and that's why I used it.

So, do have any empiracal findings to share, or what?

"The word means what it does, and that's why I used it."

And which is why I place the needed emphasis on it. To underscore the fact that your statement in which it was contained isn't any where near an empirical finding. And since you've presented no empirical finding, I don't feel compelled to present any of my own.

Sorry to inform you, but if you are going to challenge a person, you have to do something more than just repeat EXACTLY what that person meant back to them. You contributed nothing with that comment, yet you acted like you were teaching me something. You have no grounds for a victory dance. The fact that you keep trying to dance one, is just really pathetic.

Regardless, if you want to show me just how much "emphasis" I needed, then you ARE going to have to show something empircal. Otherwise, I think you'll find that you objection is just as flimsy and without facts. Of course, I never once try to pass off my statement as fact, hence I said "doubt". This appears to have escaped you.

 

[UberNoodle]

I have to admit first thing that comes to my mind when someone mentions word "swastika" are Nazis and then Buddhist symbol. However I don't find it offensive . Would it be wrong of me if I said ppl should just move on? Yes you should forgive but not forget, but seriously does dwelling on it help anyone? Nazism, racism, and violating people rights in any way should be condemned, hell it should be rooted out. We all know that people tend to jump to conclusions, and using swastika as an emblem is provocative despite your intentions. Give ppl ability to put anything on their emblems and of course they're gonna misuse it. It surprises me that ppl can still take anything attention seeking individuals do on internet seriously; much less let it affect them in any way.

If "using [a] swastika as an emblem is provocative despite [the user's] intentions," then it would seem to me that the root of that problem lies not with the user but, rather, with those who would be provoked. If so, then it would seem to me that the solution lies not on the user's side of the equation but, rather, on the side of the provoked.

Xbox's decision to ban the user and ignore the provoked is a lot like America's War on Drugs. Target the drug-producing countries outside of America and ignore the demand for drugs inside of America. That strategy hasn't worked very well, I don't think.

But then you promote a society where poeple don't give a sh!t about others' feelings or well-being simply because it's "your problem". Western culture has been taking a steady dive towards this self-centred attitude for a long time. The idea is that people have the right to do what they want. Fair enough, and you do. However people also have the right not be confronted if they don't wish to be. It isn't any of our right to dictate to others what they should and shouldn't be upset about. If they are, then they no doubt have good reason. Forcing such things upon them and then telling blaming them for being offended (while legitimising the action with trite assertions of pesonal freedom), is against human decency. XBL does constitute a public space, and like any other, common courtesy should be observed.

"If they are, then they no doubt have good reason."

If being a hyper-sensitive whiner is what you call a "good reason" to be upset, then you've got a point. But if that's the case, then I suspect we may need to go far beyond the mere banning of swastikas in order to ensure that the hyper-sensitive whiners of the world aren't upset. I suspect that the list of things likely to upset them is long. Very long.

And while we're at it and if we're taking requests, can we ban the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners? There's nothing that upsets me more than the the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners. I'd like to exercise my "right not be confronted [by their whinings] if don't wish to be."

Yeah right, and you know exactly what's running through the minds of these people. I see. As for whiners, you might have to be careful about how your actions could be perceived to the wider world. And if you wish to exercise your right not be to confronted by certain poeple or situations, then don't go around inviting such confrontations.

HOnestly, you really don't have a leg to stand on. XBL is a closed system with its own rules. It is not the outside world. Abide by the rules or leave. It's as simple as that. If you really think that your rights have been violated for not being able to use a symbol, then leave XBL.

The sensible, mature and considerate route would be to realise that your not the centre of the world and that more than just yourself lives in it. Giving up an urge or desire for the sake of a more harmonius society/community is an admirable quality. Whining when you can't have all the toys you want, definately isn't in the same league.

Bye now. I've had enough of our, "discussion".

"Bye now. I've had enough of our, "discussion".

And that does what, pray tell? Guarantee you the last word? That's really quite "[t]he sensible, mature and considerate route" to take. Clearly you're an expert on such matters.

No, carry on as much as you like. I just have better things to do. This is the last I will be replying to you. All you've done is split hairs and AVOID discussion. Either address the perfectly reasonable things I have said already, or accept that I don't wish to talk to you further. I have upheld my end of the discussion bargainl. You have not. A discussion is NOT being hung up of irrelevant definitions, especially with a complete smart arse.

 

[Aerowaves]

Hopefully they will get to that after they get rid of the swastikas. Personally, I say ban them because even though there is a meaning to them besides the Nazis, they were used by the Nazis, and that's not funny, clever or cool.

Terrorists used planes to kill people, therefore we should ban planes. Yay logic.

Symbols are far more powerful than things. The Klu Klux Klan uniforms weren't originally used by them, but that's what the uniforms are most associated with, far above any other meaning in the popular mind. People aren't going to similarly associate planes with terrorism; flying a plane isn't inextricably linked to hate crime like the swastika has become.

 

[JDKJ]

I have to admit first thing that comes to my mind when someone mentions word "swastika" are Nazis and then Buddhist symbol. However I don't find it offensive . Would it be wrong of me if I said ppl should just move on? Yes you should forgive but not forget, but seriously does dwelling on it help anyone? Nazism, racism, and violating people rights in any way should be condemned, hell it should be rooted out. We all know that people tend to jump to conclusions, and using swastika as an emblem is provocative despite your intentions. Give ppl ability to put anything on their emblems and of course they're gonna misuse it. It surprises me that ppl can still take anything attention seeking individuals do on internet seriously; much less let it affect them in any way.

If "using [a] swastika as an emblem is provocative despite [the user's] intentions," then it would seem to me that the root of that problem lies not with the user but, rather, with those who would be provoked. If so, then it would seem to me that the solution lies not on the user's side of the equation but, rather, on the side of the provoked.

Xbox's decision to ban the user and ignore the provoked is a lot like America's War on Drugs. Target the drug-producing countries outside of America and ignore the demand for drugs inside of America. That strategy hasn't worked very well, I don't think.

But then you promote a society where poeple don't give a sh!t about others' feelings or well-being simply because it's "your problem". Western culture has been taking a steady dive towards this self-centred attitude for a long time. The idea is that people have the right to do what they want. Fair enough, and you do. However people also have the right not be confronted if they don't wish to be. It isn't any of our right to dictate to others what they should and shouldn't be upset about. If they are, then they no doubt have good reason. Forcing such things upon them and then telling blaming them for being offended (while legitimising the action with trite assertions of pesonal freedom), is against human decency. XBL does constitute a public space, and like any other, common courtesy should be observed.

"If they are, then they no doubt have good reason."

If being a hyper-sensitive whiner is what you call a "good reason" to be upset, then you've got a point. But if that's the case, then I suspect we may need to go far beyond the mere banning of swastikas in order to ensure that the hyper-sensitive whiners of the world aren't upset. I suspect that the list of things likely to upset them is long. Very long.

And while we're at it and if we're taking requests, can we ban the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners? There's nothing that upsets me more than the the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners. I'd like to exercise my "right not be confronted [by their whinings] if don't wish to be."

Yeah right, and you know exactly what's running through the minds of these people. I see. As for whiners, you might have to be careful about how your actions could be perceived to the wider world. And if you wish to exercise your right not be to confronted by certain poeple or situations, then don't go around inviting such confrontations.

HOnestly, you really don't have a leg to stand on. XBL is a closed system with its own rules. It is not the outside world. Abide by the rules or leave. It's as simple as that. If you really think that your rights have been violated for not being able to use a symbol, then leave XBL.

The sensible, mature and considerate route would be to realise that your not the centre of the world and that more than just yourself lives in it. Giving up an urge or desire for the sake of a more harmonius society/community is an admirable quality. Whining when you can't have all the toys you want, definately isn't in the same league.

Bye now. I've had enough of our, "discussion".

"Bye now. I've had enough of our, "discussion".

And that does what, pray tell? Guarantee you the last word? That's really quite "[t]he sensible, mature and considerate route" to take. Clearly you're an expert on such matters.

No, carry on as much as you like. I just have better things to do. This is the last I will be replying to you. All you've done is split hairs and AVOID discussion. Either address the perfectly reasonable things I have said already, or accept that I don't wish to talk to you further. I have upheld my end of the discussion bargainl. You have not. A discussion is NOT being hung up of irrelevant definitions, especially with a complete smart arse.

At least have the strength of conviction to stand by the choices you make. Having decided to unilaterally and abruptly end the discussion and bid your farewells, you should, I believe, have stayed that course. Anything less makes you look indecisive and wishy-washy in my eyes. But they are just my eyes. Feel free to suit yourself.

 

[JDKJ]

Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.

I disagree with your retort, snappy and symetrical it may be. The symbol means what it means today, and that's how it's taken. Like the article said, XBL is not the place to argue the semantics of this shape. Sure, it derives from runes. And yes, it is also a very important symbol throughout Asia. The thing is, I doubt that even half of the funsters who'd use the symbol on XBL would do so for the sake of runic, Hindu or Buddhist symbology.

Emphasis on your word "doubt." Which I assume is another way of saying you don't know that as any kind of certainty beyond all dispute.

And what then is your point? Who are you to tell me, the writer, of how much emphasis was or wasn't lacking in my words? You've quoted me, yet somehow seem to think you've one upped me on something?

Now, unless you have something other than the complete obvious to share, what was the point of your message? That I can't prove my last statement above and beyond dispute? Well I never tried to, hence my use of the word "doubt", which you've clearly noticed. The word means what it does, and that's why I used it.

So, do have any empiracal findings to share, or what?

"The word means what it does, and that's why I used it."

And which is why I place the needed emphasis on it. To underscore the fact that your statement in which it was contained isn't any where near an empirical finding. And since you've presented no empirical finding, I don't feel compelled to present any of my own.

Sorry to inform you, but if you are going to challenge a person, you have to do something more than just repeat EXACTLY what that person meant back to them. You contributed nothing with that comment, yet you acted like you were teaching me something. You have no grounds for a victory dance. The fact that you keep trying to dance one, is just really pathetic.

Regardless, if you want to show me just how much "emphasis" I needed, then you ARE going to have to show something empircal. Otherwise, I think you'll find that you objection is just as flimsy and without facts. Of course, I never once try to pass off my statement as fact, hence I said "doubt". This appears to have escaped you.

The "doubt" which I took pains to emphasis is the same "doubt" which you claim appears to have escaped me? You're making my head hurt.

 

[Blindrooster]

I'd say we still have a few generations to go before the swatstika becomes an acceptable symbol again.. ( i mean come on Thor used it too and he wasn't a nazi)

 

[ShadowKirby]

I have to admit first thing that comes to my mind when someone mentions word "swastika" are Nazis and then Buddhist symbol. However I don't find it offensive . Would it be wrong of me if I said ppl should just move on? Yes you should forgive but not forget, but seriously does dwelling on it help anyone? Nazism, racism, and violating people rights in any way should be condemned, hell it should be rooted out. We all know that people tend to jump to conclusions, and using swastika as an emblem is provocative despite your intentions. Give ppl ability to put anything on their emblems and of course they're gonna misuse it. It surprises me that ppl can still take anything attention seeking individuals do on internet seriously; much less let it affect them in any way.

If "using [a] swastika as an emblem is provocative despite [the user's] intentions," then it would seem to me that the root of that problem lies not with the user but, rather, with those who would be provoked. If so, then it would seem to me that the solution lies not on the user's side of the equation but, rather, on the side of the provoked.

Xbox's decision to ban the user and ignore the provoked is a lot like America's War on Drugs. Target the drug-producing countries outside of America and ignore the demand for drugs inside of America. That strategy hasn't worked very well, I don't think.

But then you promote a society where poeple don't give a sh!t about others' feelings or well-being simply because it's "your problem". Western culture has been taking a steady dive towards this self-centred attitude for a long time. The idea is that people have the right to do what they want. Fair enough, and you do. However people also have the right not be confronted if they don't wish to be. It isn't any of our right to dictate to others what they should and shouldn't be upset about. If they are, then they no doubt have good reason. Forcing such things upon them and then telling blaming them for being offended (while legitimising the action with trite assertions of pesonal freedom), is against human decency. XBL does constitute a public space, and like any other, common courtesy should be observed.

"If they are, then they no doubt have good reason."

If being a hyper-sensitive whiner is what you call a "good reason" to be upset, then you've got a point. But if that's the case, then I suspect we may need to go far beyond the mere banning of swastikas in order to ensure that the hyper-sensitive whiners of the world aren't upset. I suspect that the list of things likely to upset them is long. Very long.

And while we're at it and if we're taking requests, can we ban the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners? There's nothing that upsets me more than the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners. I'd like to exercise my "right not be confronted [by their whinings] if don't wish to be."

Yes, all those Jewish families that were broken by the Holocaust are such hyper-sensitive whiners... :\

 

[ShadowKirby]

I'd say we still have a few generations to go before the swatstika becomes an acceptable symbol again.. ( i mean come on Thor used it too and he wasn't a nazi)

The day it becomes acceptable again is the day we forget its meaning and the horrors attached to it, and that should never happen.
Damn, it's not like there is a shortage of symbols to use as an emblem in a video game.

 

[Blindrooster]

I'd say we still have a few generations to go before the swatstika becomes an acceptable symbol again.. ( i mean come on Thor used it too and he wasn't a nazi)

The day it becomes acceptable again is the day we forget its meaning and the horrors attached to it, and that should never happen.
Damn, it's not like there is a shortage of symbols to use as an emblem in a video game.

We'll also be dead unless you plan on living a VERY long time. don't you think the rebel flag is offensive? yet that generation is gone so it's not AS offensive. It was horrible, and we'll never forget it.... Same case for the swatstika, but the swatstika has deeper meanings. If a radical political group used the cross for their symbol and then mudered thousands of people, should we never use the cross as a symbol again?

 

[BlastedTheWorm]

Now, I haven't played Black Ops, but I assume you'll see less of

And more of

Since the latter is the Nazi variant, any religious connotations are void. They can't argue against that.

But then again, swastikas get priority bannings over things like cocks? That's just stupid.

 

[JDKJ]

I have to admit first thing that comes to my mind when someone mentions word "swastika" are Nazis and then Buddhist symbol. However I don't find it offensive . Would it be wrong of me if I said ppl should just move on? Yes you should forgive but not forget, but seriously does dwelling on it help anyone? Nazism, racism, and violating people rights in any way should be condemned, hell it should be rooted out. We all know that people tend to jump to conclusions, and using swastika as an emblem is provocative despite your intentions. Give ppl ability to put anything on their emblems and of course they're gonna misuse it. It surprises me that ppl can still take anything attention seeking individuals do on internet seriously; much less let it affect them in any way.

If "using [a] swastika as an emblem is provocative despite [the user's] intentions," then it would seem to me that the root of that problem lies not with the user but, rather, with those who would be provoked. If so, then it would seem to me that the solution lies not on the user's side of the equation but, rather, on the side of the provoked.

Xbox's decision to ban the user and ignore the provoked is a lot like America's War on Drugs. Target the drug-producing countries outside of America and ignore the demand for drugs inside of America. That strategy hasn't worked very well, I don't think.

But then you promote a society where poeple don't give a sh!t about others' feelings or well-being simply because it's "your problem". Western culture has been taking a steady dive towards this self-centred attitude for a long time. The idea is that people have the right to do what they want. Fair enough, and you do. However people also have the right not be confronted if they don't wish to be. It isn't any of our right to dictate to others what they should and shouldn't be upset about. If they are, then they no doubt have good reason. Forcing such things upon them and then telling blaming them for being offended (while legitimising the action with trite assertions of pesonal freedom), is against human decency. XBL does constitute a public space, and like any other, common courtesy should be observed.

"If they are, then they no doubt have good reason."

If being a hyper-sensitive whiner is what you call a "good reason" to be upset, then you've got a point. But if that's the case, then I suspect we may need to go far beyond the mere banning of swastikas in order to ensure that the hyper-sensitive whiners of the world aren't upset. I suspect that the list of things likely to upset them is long. Very long.

And while we're at it and if we're taking requests, can we ban the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners? There's nothing that upsets me more than the whinings of hyper-sensitive whiners. I'd like to exercise my "right not be confronted [by their whinings] if don't wish to be."

Yes, all those Jewish families that were broken by the Holocaust are such hyper-sensitive whiners... :\

What about that makes them so special? Any more special than the Armenians, Rwandans, Bosnians, Sudanese, Native Americans, etc., etc., etc., who have also had their families broken by their own Holocaust? There's no monopoly on misery. And those who would think there is are, in so doing, only moving closer to my inclusion of them among the class of hyper-sensitive whiners.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

Now, I haven't played Black Ops, but I assume you'll see less of

And more of

Since the latter is the Nazi variant, any religious connotations are void. They can't argue against that.

But then again, swastikas get priority bannings over things like cocks? That's just stupid.

I lol'd. And in a franchise that features Nazi iconography more often than most churches feature crosses, no less.

 

[snave]

I thought the Swastika was a backwards version of the Buddhist symbol. Is that not right?

Correct... buuuuuut, it can vary.

Usually, the Buddhist swastika, or manji, rotates in the opposite direction to the one Hitler adopted for the Nazi party. This was intentional on his part I believe. However, it can vary, and both are occasionally used for Buddhism, although the non-Nazi one is most prevalent by far, and the one you'll see on Japanese and Korean maps as well as major temple signage in these countries. People there tend not to realise it has any association with the Nazi party (well I guess maybe they would if they happened to have visited one of those Hitler theme-bars prevalent in the mid-2000s).

One key thing that does distinguish the two is that the Nazi variant was ALWAYS inclined 45 degrees, the manji is not.

 

[Tyrant T100]

Well the game has a premade Hammer and Sickle, should I be banned for using that seeing as Communism has killed more than Fascism.
(I'm on PC so it doesn't matter)