Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban
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Trust me when I say people would confuse the Buddhist swastika for a Nazi swastika.Simalacrum said:...but, wait, hold on a second, the Nazi swastika is different from a Buddhist swastika
For one thing, a buddhist version isn't set diagonally, and it's also reversed in comparison to the Nazi version.
See? the two are actually quite different symbols!
...I hope I won't get banned for posting a swastika on the forums considering the context... XD
Agreed. Its a hindu symbol originally if I remember correctly? Hindu or Buhdism, I honestly can't remember... but still Internet High Five for realising Swastika isn't all bad-Samurai- said:
But what if you were or are currently a member of the Finnish Air Force and want to show off your pride as such?
Ya, ban them. I don't want to be reminded of the wrongs of WWII while I'm busy gunning down people with my assault rifle.
I know how you feel. I spent the better part of 4 hours yesterday trying to convince someone that vaccines aren't deigned by the government to cause autism, and I should even now really be writing a research paper.Atmos Duality said:
But I'm already here, and much more rested than last night. So, what is your conclusion exactly? That the holocaust was the worst thing that ever happened in the history of man kind? Or that atrocities cannot be compared, and therefore it's not a question of "which was worse," it's just that the actions of Hitler and Stalin and that Chinese guy were "bad?"
I feel like you're arguing against the idea that the Holocaust wasn't as bad as people think, but I feel like that's a misinterpretation. The argument opposite yours is that all the events were bad, but if the reason for all of them being bad was that they resulted in the deaths of innocents, then the quantity of innocent lives taken by each event is a relevant statistic. Therefore, if Stalin's reign killed more innocents than the Holocaust, Stalin's reign was more evil, or the opposite, or whatever. This doesn't necessarily underplay the evil of either event.
My argument (I think it's separate from some others) is that how evil a murder campaign is isn't strictly dependent on how many innocents are killed, but, in varying degrees, the pain inflicted (both psychological and physical), the thoroughness of the deaths, and even the amount of irony. By those criteria, I find Stalin's reign to be more evil than the Holocaust. But the difference is negligible and irrelevant anyway since neither event is acceptable.
More importantly, I find fault in this romantic idea that the value of human life is both infinite and incalculable. If this were true, then any risk to that life would be immediately outweighed by the possible benefits of the risk, and we'd all be wearing bubble suits and living in our basements. I also think it useful and proper to compare the ethics of different events, even when the events in question have so much moral agreement. After all, understanding why we consider something evil can help us with cost-benefit analysis when it comes to moral decisions down the road, likely on scales much smaller than that of 20th century mass-exterminations.
If you want to take it in that sense -- a sense in which it wasn't all intended -- then, fine and dandy. Suit yourself. But if you also expect me to give you an E-Z Pass on your "greatest good for the greatest number" argument and blithely ignore that "greatest good for the greatest number" frequently results in the greatest bad for the smallest number (see, e.g., the Final Solution), then that's not your choice to make. That choice is mine to make. And I choose not to give you any E-Z Pass on the matter.rsvp42 said:
Where's the logic is giving us freedom to create our own emblems and then be told we can't if they resemble certain symbols.
Treyarch must know if you give people freedom they'll abuse it and draw dicks and swastikas.
It's not offending anyone as such, it just tells everyone that the person with a swastika emblem is most likely a douche bag with no respect for those who died during the war.
Treyarch must know if you give people freedom they'll abuse it and draw dicks and swastikas.
It's not offending anyone as such, it just tells everyone that the person with a swastika emblem is most likely a douche bag with no respect for those who died during the war.
If it's on it's side in black with a red and white background exactly the same as that used by the Third Reich it's fucking Nazi symbolism and that is what people are doing.
They intend it's meaning as such.
No-one thinks of that symbol portrayed in that way in any altruistic terms so if you use it in that context you are saying or implying only one thing.
It is not ironic, funny, freedom of speech or any of that shit it's you being a cock.
So there!
They intend it's meaning as such.
No-one thinks of that symbol portrayed in that way in any altruistic terms so if you use it in that context you are saying or implying only one thing.
It is not ironic, funny, freedom of speech or any of that shit it's you being a cock.
So there!
So long as they don't take away my Calumon "Crystal Matrix", I'm fine.
[sub][sub]But can they do something with the Wangs? Really.[/sub][/sub]
Calumon: I'm in a war game? But I hate fighting!
[sub][sub]But can they do something with the Wangs? Really.[/sub][/sub]
Calumon: I'm in a war game? But I hate fighting!
You realize I'm talking about emblems on Black Ops, right? What is the "greatest bad" you're warning about? Some yahoos can't use a swastika on a game? I am tearing up as I write this, such is my sadness.JDKJ said:
I'm actually offended that you would bring up the Holocaust as some sort of perverted example of pragmatism and then suggest that my view is in any way related. This connection you're making is a fallacy, a red herring that distracts from what we were talking about. The fact that I even have to devote this paragraph to dealing with it is ridiculous. The fact that you haven't backed down from that line of thought is what's convinced me that our former discussion has ended. If you'd like me to spar with you in this half-assed tangent, I'd be happy to oblige when I have some more free time later and I could use a laugh.
That's what I mean.psivamp said:
We're not talking about not using the swastika but the use of the Nazi emblem, that's where the offence comes from.
Anyone trying to defend it on the basis of freedom of speech should think hard about the incitement to racial hatred laws that apply nowadays.
I never claimed the holocaust was "THE WORST". It's one of the worst, sitting right beside Stalin, Alexander, the Inquisition/Crusades, etc.summerof2010 said:
I'm keeping them in the same category, because their scope transcends the perspective of the individual; these were entire societies that were being targeted and eradicated.
The opposite is just as bad; where people become nothing more than numbers.
Genocide is a process based on the coldest calculations possible: The systematic elimination of our primary competitors (other humans; specifically, other organized groups of humans).
The answer lies somewhere in between, because at one end, we have mass-paranoia and nothing gets done. On the other, we have Perfect Fascism.
I agree that understanding "Why" is the best endeavor, but we must never try to make excuses to discredit or marginalize horrors whose scope we only understand academically; lest it happen again somewhere down the line.
Reading about truth and experiencing truth are two very different subjects.
That's in the context of historical accuracy, using it in your online profile is not and therefore out of fucking order! It's like wearing a swastika in a WWII film or historical reenactment, that's fine. Wearing it on a t-shirt or tattooing it on you isn't!Ungenericteen said:
You know I wasn't aware the symbol had any major use before WWII, I know shocker I must be a fucking idiot, or rather it's just something they never taught me in high school and I bet I'm in the majority. People shouldn't be using it even if they're think their being intelligent or irevant by trying to subvert the smybol's nazi heritage... on fucking xbox live. It doesn't make them big or clever, it makes them a grasping ****.
I can't believe some people are still calling "Political correctness gone mad! OH NOES!" on this. It's a fucking Swastika, ban them!