Black Ops Swastika Emblems Will Earn Xbox Live Ban

[coffeeandmilf]

i just think its ironic that in a game where you can shoot nazi zombies in online co op, with swastika banners in the opening room,that they are banning the use of swastikas

 

[AnAngryMoose]

If they are banning things because of atrocities associated with them, then they should ban the plot of that game.

Quoted for truth. Double Standards, MS. Double standards.

 

[Wow they sure are generous with the usernames]

i just think its ironic that in a game where you can shoot nazi zombies in online co op, with swastika banners in the opening room,that they are banning the use of swastikas

Yes, because the use of the symbol as your personal emblem to reflect yourself is clearly the exact same as "historical" context. I use quotes because I know it's more of fictional history.

 

[JDKJ]

Am not a big fan of the "Jewish extermination" but the swastika should not be banned, even if drawing attention to the event was precisely the intention of the user. Despite what the MS guy says, it is political correctness.

Even though Microsoft are being massive dickheads here, it's not a surprise that they did this.

The swastika is an image that is banned in certain countries (e.g. Germany). People from Germany play the same online game that everyone else does, so they have to moderate their emblems to exclude banned images.

I could be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that it's the public (emphasis on "public") display of the swastika that's banned in Germany. And I would assume that its display in an online game doesn't qualify as a public display (unless you're monitoring your game play on a gigantic Jumbotron screen set up outdoors for all to see).

Its public enough. And EVERYONE thinks of Nazis when they see the swastika. The only reason you would put a swastika in the game in the first place would be to refer to Nazis. It is definitely good that microsoft censored this, no one should ever in their lifetimes try to be anything like the Nazis, nor should they speak of them positively in any way.

Not public enough to satisfy the prohibition of Germany's law. No more than hanging a swastika in the privacy of your own home would be prohibited under Germany's law. That was my point.

I'm not sure how you get from that narrow point to all you've said but if it provided you a springboard from which to say what you've said, that's cool, I guess. I'm not really seeing what all that's got to do with me and my point but . . . whatever.

 

[Krunkcity3000]

Now, how about they ban all the Penis' and Beast Porn symbols that plague the game. I've only seen one swastika but there are a billion flying wangs in Black Ops. Funny thing is, as soon as i noticed the symbol system was layer based, I knew Treyarch made a big mistake.

 

[Kevin Lyons]

Everyone saying this was a bad idea is being so friggen stupid! Sure they show them in Campaign but at least it's in context. Out of context, it's just a hurtful thing that brings back awful stories and memories (maybe not memories anymore but definitely stories). Anyone using it is NOT using the Buddhist version. They're using the Nazi one. Also, freedom of speech only applies when it doesn't interfere with someone else's human rights

 

[RobfromtheGulag]

He should probably go ahead and make the cross and the star of David ban-able offenses too then.

 

[JDKJ]

You're actually offended? Well, here, let me show you a measure of your own empathy and sympathy: I really give a rat's ass that you're offended and I am tearing up as I write this, such is my sadness. I guess you'll just have to endure this painful, painful time. My heart goes out to you.

To blows, then! Now that we've disposed of the shackles of reasonable discourse, that is.

I'm a bit dismayed that all you did was use the same words I did. It's odd because when I used them, they were directed at those who would use the swastika in Black Ops, not at you. The fact that you're directing them back at me means either:

a) you actually do use it and are mad or
b) you took offense to it anyway, which would be strange.

Either way, you failed to distance yourself emotionally from your own argument and saw attacks on it as--

Oh wait, I'm being reasonable again, aren't I? I confess I'm not very good at being an ass for no reason, so I may need your help with that. If you would be so kind.

No, it strikes me more that you're being some sort of armchair psychologist than an ass. And unfortunately that's an area in which I have no expertise. As much as I'd like to help, I think you're on your own in that effort. But best o' luck to ya.

 

[WhyRyan]

The nazi's weren't nice. Understood
Not many things are... understand?
Now, are we feckless twelve year olds who cry and wet our pants when we see something bad?! Yes a swastika has bad meanings as do countless other bits of imagery. With a swastika or not a person who is a dick is still a dick. Whether containing swastika's or not a good game is still a good game! Do we need someone to tell us what to look at or what not to look at? Goddamn, give a symbol a lot of fucking power!
I think if somebody wants to show that they're a dick, good. Let them, as long as they're willing to take the fact that 99.8 percent of people will hate them. Sorry if it's all a bit crazy libertarian but people have the right to fly there flag's in my eyes, it lets me know who to aim for anyway.
Will seeing a swastika distract you from game-play? Will it promote world-wide fascism?
Most of the people who fly them online anyway are trying to goad you like a dog being led by a bone on a string because they don't have to suffer any real rammifications for what they say (welcometointernetzkthx) anyway, just lump 'em with the dick emblemmers and other such types.
Yes, bad things happened under that banner. Horrible, terrible, disgusting things.
But it's just a fucking game!
I can't believe there's even an argument on such a thing.

 

[RMcD94]

I do not like this image, ban it!

What exactly is the problem with someone using it, even if they are actually a Nazi?

I mean really, there's plenty of actual murderers, just because someone admits their beliefs doesn't mean they should be discriminated against.

Acting on beliefs of course, different matter.

 

[MR.Spartacus]

Stupid Nazis. Why did you have to ruin the swastika for everyone else?

They didn't. The people that refuse to see it as anything other than a Nazi symbol ruin it for everyone else.

When people do their damnedest to have it mean nazis. What else can you think of when they make it look like this?

http://www.opposingviews.com/attachments/0004/6513/swastika.png?1273450270
It doesn't personally bother me, but your logic is a bit flawed. Plus hey it's Microsoft's system so there their rules are what count.

 

[teh_Canape]

The swastika was a symbol of power going back through history. The Native Americans used it, the Buddhists I'm not quite sure what they used it for. Hitler however saw it in a church of some sort and thought it was a good symbol and that became the symbol of the Nazi Party.

the buddhists, yeah, those are the guys I meant when I said about the swastika being a symbol of luck =P

but yeah, DannibalG36 is right, stupid nazis

 

[Necrofudge]

I'm completely okay with him doing this.

I mean, how many people has anyone actually met that use the Swastika to represent an ideology of Buddhism? And out of those people, how many are so attached to the symbol that they have to portray it everywhere regardless of it's more recent connection with the Nazi party?

I think there's probably a bigger population of Neo-Nazi twelve year olds willing to make up an excuse than the actual people stated above.

 

[angry_flashlight]

I hope my 8-pointed star of CHAOS doesn't get flagged by Corpse-Worshippers. That would disappoint Khorne greatly.

 

[Mooko12]

Agreed!

 

[Mooko12]

Banning the swastika is about as intelligent as banning guns in this game. The nazis used guns to kill people.

 

[Mooko12]

Oh and also why are they allowed in the story made of WaW. Very hypocitical

 

[Demongeneral109]

Apparently some people are being willfully ignorant of the swastika's current symbolism. It symbolizes Nazi germany, white supremacy and racial hatred. That's what it means now. It doesn't matter what obscure or ancient group used it here or there, NOW it means what Nazis and white power assholes turned it into.

Wait.. what? Ancient and obscure? Right. Yes. You're totally correct. Nothing exists beyond the narrow western interpretations you are aware of. Good job. Have a banana.

Oh, I see what you kid there...yeah, bananna republics were oppressed states exploited for natural resources...yeah...clever... ^_^0

Apparently some people are being willfully ignorant of the swastika's current symbolism. It symbolizes Nazi germany, white supremacy and racial hatred. That's what it means now. It doesn't matter what obscure or ancient group used it here or there, NOW it means what Nazis and white power assholes turned it into.

Wait.. what? Ancient and obscure? Right. Yes. You're totally correct. Nothing exists beyond the narrow western interpretations you are aware of. Good job. Have a banana.

Oh, I see what you kid there...yeah, bananna republics were oppressed states exploited for natural resources...yeah...clever... ^_^0

He might have been suggesting I was a monkey and that my ideas reflected that, which is pretty presumptuous. For all he knows, I live in Singapore. Sigh...

Shhhh.... mine is more sarcastic and amusing...XD