Black Ops Will Be Brutal, But Not Gratuitous, Says Treyarch

Sn1P3r M98

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Not sure if anyone else noticed, in the picture, the guys hand is in the middle of the handguard :). OT: I hope this game has dismemberment like W@W. That really help me become immersed and I was pissed when MW2 didn't have it.
 

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Kelethor said:
With your last sentence, I think the immersion debate can safely come to a close. but as for your statements on GTA and Saints Row (haven't played Postal so I cannot make a statement on it) I guess it all comes down to what people think when you say terrorist. sadly, when the word terrorist is brought up, most North Americans will think of the same thing. a male, of middle-eastern decent, with a bomb strapped to his chest is this moral? of course not, but that is what comes to mind to many,if not most people, when someone mention's terrorists. also, I found that Saint's Row had a certain...comedic flare to it. you could certainly butcher thousands of people with a wide variety of weapons, but you could also throw shit at people's house. now, this may be just me, but I don't think I would be afraid of a terrorist who threw poo at my house. Id most likely just laugh.

GTA, while hardly as funny SR 2, suffers from the "terrorist Prejudice". For Example, let's say a white man (Nico Bellic) were to hold someone hostage for ransom. the news headline would be something along the line as "Criminal's kidnap young woman!" were as say a person that the authorities can Identify as middle eastern descent, the headlines would read "Terrorist hold's young girl hostage!" and this is hardly GTA IV fault, as indeed, many of the actions committed in the game (Hijacking, Murder, intimidation, ETC) would qualify as acts of terrorism, but don't because when most people look at Nico Bellic, they don't see a terrorist. they see a Russian immigrant. :p
I wouldn't laugh if my house was doused in doo-doo, unless someone else had to clean it up. If I was stuck on clean-up doodie (PUN), I'd be quite pissed.

Racism and stereotypes, the reason there will never be a Middle-Easterner as a main character in anything but games set before the 1700's (unless it is a 17th/18th century RTS).
 

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I see tortured by the Viet Cong as one..



But we all know, like MW2, immersive story-telling can lead to some bad press by over-pretective parents and Fox news..
 

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Why is this really much of an issue when it's a WAR game. What, do they expect warfare to be a fair ordeal?
 

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TerribleAssassin said:
I see tortured by the Viet Cong as one..



But we all know, like MW2, immersive story-telling can lead to some bad press by over-pretective parents and Fox news..
Parents who think that their children shouldn't watch pixels get tourtured, but they think its fine if they buy the game that involves killing people and the M rating on it? What the hell are parents thinking these days?
 

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" When you consider that a lot of the current morality was defined by those hippies, who are a lot of the same people working against the current war, a game about a bunch of soldiers trying to resolve a civil war where both sides are actually evil, while their own people ridicule them as freaks, and baby killers, and actively work to undermine them is going to PO some people. Maybe in another 10 or 20 years when there are less boomers in power it will become more practical.

The Veitnam experience would probably involve moments like experiencing the war through the eyes of a soldier who is wounded, taken to the medical tent, and then ooops a bunch of hippies replaced the morphine and saline solutions in the IV bags with salt water and nobody caught it.... "

You're not very familiar with the Vietnam war are you? Because I don't recall Hippies ever actually being in you know the Field Hospitals.. Anyways, BlOPs just got 10x better in my eyes thanks to reading this article.
 

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Treyarch should get more praise for how they've handled the call of duty franchise. WaW was great and I have full confidence in them when it comes to this game.
 

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No matter what they do the most I'm ever going to do with this game is rent it and even thats pushing it.
 
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All I like to ask is why the double standard between medium is so blatant, even still. We have films, books, blah that tell their tales from the perspective of "undesirables" - yet games doing this is a shock.

Then, the industry receives flak that it iss promoting idiocy and not venturing forth and expanding the "intelligence" rating of its product, usually with the same people issuing the statements.

A dog chained to its kennel will never reach the warmth of the house.
 

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Honestly I hope Treyarch do well from this. Hopefully they learned from earlier errors, both theirs, IW's AND Activisions (if the latter will let them in any case).

The jury is still out, though I'd love to give them props for doing the game right after the entire IW debacle.
 

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I'm glad to hear this. I loved "No Russian", it was surprising and powerful. Call of Duty needs more moments like that.

I have a really good feeling about Black Ops.
 

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Its an M rated game if you can't handle what that entails then you shouldn't play the game.
 

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Lacsapix said:
Why is shooting down unarmed civilians so bad?
I've killed over tens of thousands of civilians in GTA.
Different context, so to speak.

OT: Quite frankly, I am getting sick of Treyarch acting like a smug twelve year old and silently bashing Infinity Ward whenever it gets a chance. This company would have been broken up by now if it wasn't for the cod 4 engine supplying Cod WaW, and the fame that MW2 has made. They haven't had one other slightly successful game besides CoDWaW.

I love the series to death, and I really hope it does good, but a small part of me is really hoping this game bombs, just to take that invisible smirk off their faces. Honestly, If Activision had any sense they would pair the two companies up together.
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So who knows what controversy may happen here. However If they go for It, It won't work, I like to think No Russian existed only as a plot point, and was not pre made for the "Oh my god controversy!" factor.
Exactly. It served a purpose to progress the games plot along further, and (if you fill in the sad amount of plot holes with reasonable guesses yourself) makes a good bit of sense.
 

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Game is not meant for kids, They shouldn't play it. So developers shouldn't worry about shocking KIDS!
 

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Hardcore_gamer said:
SalamanderJoe said:
Go Treyarch. I'm glad that's what they've worked for. Immersion is always better than contraversy. It's why Medal of Honor won't sell very well in October because no one can get beyond the whole, 'play as the Taliban, kill US soliders' thing.
You honestly think the game will sell poorly because you can play as the Taliban? Besides the fact that most people just don't care, there is also the somewhat significant fact that a large portion of gamers aren't even American. In fact I think the escapist has more Europeans then Americans on it.
Not me personally. Well put it this way: since the UK secretary's moan about Medal of Honor, my local gaming shops aren't taking pre-orders anymore...