Black Seventh Grader has Police Called for playing with his Zombie *Toy* Gun in His Own Home During Virtual Learning

[lil devils x]

That kid should try being white and middle class. You can straight up sexually assault a passed out girl by some dumpsters and a judge will worry about how that could affect YOUR life.

They already posted an article on this thread that had a white kid the same age range, have the same thing happen as this kid, and yet no suspension, no police record.. nope. Just a have a good day and on your way.

Black Seventh Grader has Police Called for playing with his Zombie *Toy* Gun in His Own Home During Virtual Learning

It's a BB gun apparently. However I will say this is stupid on so many levels 1) It's an orange tipped gun, that literally is an indication it's a toy of some kind not a real lethal firearm 2) It was during online lessons 3) they suspended him for it. Like really you're suspending a kid from...

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Because of course it works like that more often than not. Most of the time white kids get off because they " don't want to ruin a kids life over nothing" while most of the time Black kids do not. For every white kid that actually gets punished they punished 10 black kids twice as much.

 

[Houseman]

They already posted an article on this thread that had a white kid the same age range, have the same thing happen as this kid, and yet no suspension, no police record.. nope. Just a have a good day and on your way.

This contradicts what you said earlier about police records.

The police were called, they showed up, and they interacted with people. Shouldn't this have generated a "record" that officers and background checks, etc should be able to retrieve later? What's the difference in these two scenarios when it comes to police records?

 

[lil devils x]

This contradicts what you said earlier about police records.

The police were called, they showed up, and they interacted with people. Shouldn't this have generated a "record" that officers and background checks, etc should be able to retrieve later? What's the difference in these two scenarios when it comes to police records?

The school followed through with one, they dropped the charges in the other. Didn't you see, where the stated that they could not let her view the evidence because they didn't make a record?

In the case of the black kid, the school charged the kid with "possession of facsimile of a firearm at school", the same charge that the 15 yr old was arrested for physically having on campus while on campus, they do not differentiate between the charges for the 15 yr old who actually took a fake gun to school and the 12 yr old who had a toy gun in his room. They charged them with the same crime. Both the 15 yr old and the 12 yr old received suspension and a police record, as they treated it as the exact same crime.

The 11 yr old white kid had the police show up and determined no crime was committed , the school said they chose no action, so there is no record attached to his file for the school and the police will have a record of the call to the house, but it will say there was no evidence of a crime committed, unlike the black kid. That is how that works.

 

[Houseman]

The school followed through with one, they dropped the charges in the other.

The only difference in the two cases is whether or not the school suspended the student. When it came to the police interaction, both schools reacted the same in that they both called the police.

You're also being mislead when it comes to the word "charges" again.
"dropped charges" and "pressing charges" have no legal meaning. When the police ask people "do you want to press charges" what it really means is "will you be cooperative in taking a statement, and will you show up in court if we request you as a witness?"

The word "charge" is meaningless. The words you should be scared of is "arrest warrant" or "criminal conviction" or "criminal record". Those words actually have real meanings and real consequences.

In both cases the officer showed up, looked around, confirmed that it wasn't a real weapon, said "be careful", and left.
Both of these events should have generated a "record".

You're just letting words like words like "charges" and "records" scare you.

Didn't you see, where they stated they stated that they could not let her view the evidence because they didn't make a record?

In which article? The one about the white boy?

"I FELT VIOLATED"|Police Search Baltimore County House Over BB Gun in Virtual Class

BALTIMORE (WBFF) - A Baltimore County family is warning other parents after they say police were called to their house over something that happened during a virtual school lesson. The incident is raising concerns over privacy and safety in the era of online learning. As a Navy veteran with four...

foxbaltimore.com

It says " She was also told she could not see the screenshot of her son’s bedroom, because it’s not part of his student record. "

She was told, by the SCHOOL, not the police, that she could not view the screenshot of her son's bedroom because it's not part of the son's STUDENT record.
Let's not confuse police records, the records that you claimed could be pulled up during a traffic stop, and school records, which obviously can't.

The 11 yr old white kid had the police show up and determined no crime was committed

That's exactly what they did here with the black kid.
The police showed up and determined that no crime was committed.
Neither the black kid or the white kid got arrested.

The only difference is what sorts of "records" each school made, and how they disciplined the students.

and the police will have a record of the call to the house, but it will say there was no evidence of a crime committed, unlike the black kid.

Here's the record that your article links to

Please point out where it says that there was evidence that a crime was committed.
You won't be able to, not because it's partially redacted, but because the document doesn't say such a thing. In fact it explicitly says "Closed - Non Criminal" up at the top.





See?


Don't be scared of words like "charges" or "records". They don't necessarily mean what you think they mean.

 

[Houseman]

Here's a source that explains what I mean when I say that "pressing charges" doesn't mean what you think it means, for anyone who's interested:

Pressing Criminal Charges: What Is It and Who Does It? - FindLaw

We hear the phrase "pressing charges" a lot in movies and on TV. After a while, you kind of get the feeling you know what it means. But many people have the false impressing that anyone can press charges. Individuals do not press charges, nor do police. In the context of the criminal law, only a...

blogs.findlaw.com

 

[Gergar12]

It reminds me of the city who had a clinic that rejected treating a young teenager for Covid-19, and now that person is dead. But I can't even boycott that clinic, because I don't know where it is, or it's named.

Now I am boycotting the entire town of Lancaster, California.

Nevermind.

You Probably Read About an Uninsured Teen Who Died of COVID-19. The Truth Is More Complicated

The story quickly became a symbol of Americans' fears and the failures of the U.S. health care system.

time.com

Whoever fined the report however should be named, and shamed.

 

[Houseman]

Here's another, more recent case, this one actually with a Nerf gun.

Edgewater school called police after sixth-grader had Nerf gun during Zoom class

The father of the student said he was unhappy about the way the incident was handled, and that it was clear the teacher didn't know what to do.

www.northjersey.com

This really makes me believe that there is some order coming down from a higher authority that says that teachers NEED to call the police. Possibly, that's just survivorship bias, because we might only hear about the cases where the police are called, and we never hear about the cases where this is handled reasonably.

But you would think that these school boards would take notice of the multiple times this has happened across the nation and circulate a memo or something, if it really were not necessary.

So I'm leaning toward "there's some law or policy that necessitates calling the police every time"

 

[lil devils x]

Here's another, more recent case, this one actually with a Nerf gun.

Edgewater school called police after sixth-grader had Nerf gun during Zoom class

The father of the student said he was unhappy about the way the incident was handled, and that it was clear the teacher didn't know what to do.

www.northjersey.com

This really makes me believe that there is some order coming down from a higher authority that says that teachers NEED to call the police. Possibly, that's just survivorship bias, because we might only hear about the cases where the police are called, and we never hear about the cases where this is handled reasonably.

But you would think that these school boards would take notice of the multiple times this has happened across the nation and circulate a memo or something, if it really were not necessary.

So I'm leaning toward "there's some law or policy that necessitates calling the police every time"

I think it has to do with changes made after school shootings. The problem is they are going overboard in having the same rules apply for in class as they do at home in addition to being overly harsh on toy guns when years back you could actually bring nerf and water guns to school for events. You would think there would be an ability to use reasonable judgment, but some do not seem to understand what is reasonable and what is not.

 

[Elijin]

I'm not sure the confusion here. The problem is very, very clear. The administrators in these schools are heavily pushing the "Online school IS school, apply ALL rules as if it were in person on school premises."

 

[lil devils x]

I'm not sure the confusion here. The problem is very, very clear. The administrators in these schools are heavily pushing the "Online school IS school, apply ALL rules as if it were in person on school premises."

That and reacting to a nerf or water gun the way they do is a bit over the top even if a kid had brought one to campus. We had teachers and bus drivers GIVE us water guns when I was in school. Teachers handed them out on field day, and we had a bus driver give them to us due to it being extra hot and knowing we had a 2 1/2 hour ride home without AC in Texas heat to try and help us cool down. Schools are massively overreacting. A detention for bringing/playing with a toy in class is one thing, but suspensions are over the top. They aren't real weapons nor do they look like them. Would the same apply to a slingshot? It could do more damage. We used to make slingshots in class...

 

[Houseman]

I'm not sure the confusion here. The problem is very, very clear. The administrators in these schools are heavily pushing the "Online school IS school, apply ALL rules as if it were in person on school premises."

I mean, the confusion seems to stem from the fact that this is clearly unreasonable and didn't seem to be thought through at all.

On the other hand, when have we ever known the school system to understand nuance and be reasonable? Maybe we shouldn't have ever been surprised.

 

[Agema]

I mean, the confusion seems to stem from the fact that this is clearly unreasonable and didn't seem to be thought through at all.

On the other hand, when have we ever known the school system to understand nuance and be reasonable? Maybe we shouldn't have ever been surprised.

Systems need rules, but when rules exist, there are always exceptions and bad fits. However, no-one ever loses their job for doing it by the book: if you take responsibility for doing something outside the book and it goes wrong, you'll have hell to pay - and in worse case scenarios, legal jeopardy.

That risk therefore means there's a degree of confidence in one's own judgement to apply flexibility outside the rules, and we have to accept that many people don't have it and aren't incentivised or encouraged to use it. Of course, there are also the people with confidence in their own judgement but poor actual judgement, and they're another reason rules exist.

 

[gsilver]

They need to teach him that he needs to play Call of Duty until he's old enough to join his parents marching and openly carrying assault rifles while shouting hate at any of a number of marginalized groups, as is the duty of all good citizens.