Blacks vs Gingers

[ScarlettRage]

Oh boy, I don't see this ending well.

me either, time to leave before the flaming begins

 

[DigitalSushi]

I met at Black dude that has a ginger afro and very pale skin, freckles but distinct black male* features.

Anyway OT, its the the whole defending your race thing, I don't really believe in racism I think its prejudice or ignorance with the "victim" getting offended by it.

*edit: that makes it sound like I've seen him naked, I assure you I have not!

If being red headed (ginger) was being a different race, then blue eyed would be a race, big nosed would be a race, dangley ear lobed would be a race. etc

Woohoo, I'd be part of the dangley ear lobe race, come my dangley ear lobe brethren, unite and fight the scourge of the little ears!

 

[Archemetis]

I have two friends who fit both criteria, I don't find it racist or insensitive in the slightest.
Mostly because they enforce that kind of behaviour by laughing at their own expense.
Although with my ginger friend it's like "Man, I am so ginger."
and my black friend is like "Damn, I'm so awesome 'cos I'm black!"

Which is exactly what we all say to them.
me and my incredibly pale blonde-haired blue-eyed girlfriend both do it.
(I'm white as well in case that wasn't apparent.)

 

[justhereforthemoney]

In Situation one and two, a minority is insulted over the way they look, So what makes situation two so much worse that situation one.

You do realise that 2/3rds of the worlds population are coloured or black?

White is the minority in the world...

What are you talking about? They're the minorities not us, those blacks and asians and mexicans. (Just kidding it is from the TV show Southpark, Eric Cartman says it that's not really how I feel that's just the first thing I thought of.)

I especially got a lil crush on black guys.

O really?

OT: I do not think it is better to make fun of one over the other, but blacks have gone through slavery so there is a little bit more of a sting to it.

 

[Raven's Nest]

I think this is pretty retarded IMO, that it needs to be explained.

Nothing is wrong with either in terms of teasing, but the social stigma that is carried with insulting an ethnic minority, as opposed to a minority in general, is obviously socially unacceptable. Gingers in general, have not been widely prejudiced against on the scale of an ethnic minority, despite the constant jokes that exist of them.

Not to mention there is no legal protection for ginger haired people. Well, it isn't considered a hate crime anyway...

 

[CIA]

Situation 1. Both are Caucasian (teasing for medical condition)

How is being ranga a medical condition?!

Red hair isn't a race. It's an uncommon defect.

If being red headed (ginger) was being a different race, then blue eyed would be a race, big nosed would be a race, dangley ear lobed would be a race. etc

I was under the impression that you were saying being Caucasian was a medical condition. I can see how that conclusion might be reached.

I don't know if one is worse than the other. I don't think I would do either, not for fear of offending, but because it wouldn't occur to me. However, I used call my blond-haired blue-eyed pasty white ex-girlfriend black, but that was because she always tried to rap along with the radio, often rather badly.

 

[Raven's Nest]

OT: I do not think it is better to make fun of one over the other, but blacks have gone through slavery so there is a little bit more of a sting to it.

I might be talking out of my arse now but i'm prepared to bet there are more white eastern european sex slaves in the world now than there are black people who were slaves...

It's not really an excuse anymore...Just sayin'...

Edit:

Also laughing at someone for being very black has absolutely nothing to do with slavery anyway...

 

[Trivun]

When I clicked here I was expecting that racist twat who was here about a week ago to be trolling again. Happily, this wasn't the case.

Onto the topic then. I have black friends and I have ginger friends. I've teased one of my closer ginger friends because of his hair colour, but then again, he's the sort who can take a joke and in fact jokes about it himself. He sometimes calls himself a 'murdering ginge' and other crazy stuff of that sort. He takes it in his stride and even encourages it a little bit, because he sees it as a joke, just like those of us who do it do. I don't tease my other ginger friends about their hair colour, because I frankly don't see any difference between someone with ginger hair and someone with other hair colours.

As to black people, I don't tease any of my black friends at all. And that's again simply down to the fact that I don't see any difference between balck people and people with other skin colours. I do have one black friend who sometimes makes reference to us (that is, those of us who are his friends who are white) being 'honorary black men', and he makes those jokes himself. And we respond in a jokey way, as you'd expect, similar to the whole 'JD/Turk' 'black guy/white guy' friendship in Scrubs. But none of us are racist (well, I'm not, and I don't think my friends are), so we can joke with him without any problems, because he knows we aren't racist.

So the main question is, is there any difference between us joking around with our ginger friend and us joking around with our black friend? Personally, I don't see a difference at all. As long as they know it's a joke and can take the joke and roll with it, then there's no problems, I feel. But if they don't then making fun of a black person, Asian person, French, Spanish, Inuit or whatever, is just as bad as making fun of a ginger person because of their hair colour. Of course, that's merely my own (very long winded and convoluted) opinion on the subject...

 

[Raven's Nest]

But if they don't then making fun of a black person, Asian person, French, Spanish, Inuit or whatever, is just as bad as making fun of a ginger person because of their hair colour. Of course, that's merely my own (very long winded and convoluted) opinion on the subject...

That just reminded me of the time I made a joke about an eskimo on a train and some random passenger went ape-shit at me for calling him an eskimo instead of an inuit. He kept going on about what if there was a family of eskimos on the train, and how we would be offending them. I couldn't take him seriously and just kept laughing my arse off at him considering the joke wasn't offensive at all, and at how worked up this guy got.

 

[Cabisco]

I suppose both are argubly ok if light hearted between friends but you do have to consider the large amount of history about racism. But if your making a joke to a friend you should know them well enough to gauge their reaction beforehand. If you say either to a stranger, your a douche.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

He'd be wrong anyway. All Inuits are Eskimos, not all Eskimos are Inuits.

 

[BubbaJeff]

This is a subject thats been discussed quite alot recently, but i havent seen it on here.

Okay, we have two situations.

In situation one, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Ginger friend aloud 'haha, your extremely ginger'

In situation two, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Black friend aloud 'haha, your extremely black'

In Situation one and two, a minority is insulted over the way they look, So what makes situation two so much worse that situation one.

Enlighten me.

*this discussion is not limited to black people or ginger people*

and be creative with your resonses.

Okay, GO!

Edit: No offence inttended by the way, if you want to be offended..Go elsewhere.

You can dye ginger hair.

 

[tmujir955]

You're going to need this, OP.

 

[Hobo Joe]

I'm not sure myself, both are just colours of something you can't exactly choose; it's just that race prejudice is much more prevalent than hair prejudice.

 

[Soxafloppin]

This is a subject thats been discussed quite alot recently, but i havent seen it on here.

Okay, we have two situations.

In situation one, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Ginger friend aloud 'haha, your extremely ginger'

In situation two, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Black friend aloud 'haha, your extremely black'

In Situation one and two, a minority is insulted over the way they look, So what makes situation two so much worse that situation one.

Enlighten me.

*this discussion is not limited to black people or ginger people*

and be creative with your resonses.

Okay, GO!

Edit: No offence inttended by the way, if you want to be offended..Go elsewhere.

You can dye ginger hair.

you can bleach white skin.. (MJ)

 

[Byrn Stuff]

It honestly depends on context, familiarity, and the implication.

Context: I've just returned from a trip through the Caribbean. I'm wearing colors that accentuate my skin tone. I'm being compared to someone/others of similar skin color. Co-worker is comparing his skin to mine.

Familiarity: If we're friends, there's a lot of stuff you can get away with it that won't seem innocent from anyone else's mouth. If it's a boss-underling relationship, that changes things.

Implication: Is it meant to be insulting even in the mildest of senses? Is he referring to skin or to expectations on what blacks do?

Having someone tell me that I'm extremely black wouldn't anger me. It'd give me pause, and I do the typical scan for insult/implication, but it would never anger me.

 

[El Poncho]

Ginger isn't a race.
Black is a race.

There, that's why it's not the same.

I can't believe you even asked such a stupid question.

Well a race of people could be said to be people with different genes from you, black people have a gene that gives them a black/brown skin pigment and ginger people have a gene that makes their hair orange/y (or something like that)

 

[rokkolpo]

This is a subject thats been discussed quite alot recently, but i havent seen it on here.

Okay, we have two situations.

In situation one, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Ginger friend aloud 'haha, your extremely ginger'

In situation two, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Black friend aloud 'haha, your extremely black'

In Situation one and two, a minority is insulted over the way they look, So what makes situation two so much worse that situation one.

Enlighten me.

*this discussion is not limited to black people or ginger people*

and be creative with your resonses.

Okay, GO!

Edit: No offence inttended by the way, if you want to be offended..Go elsewhere.

Situation 1. Both are Caucasian (teasing for medical condition)
Situation 2. One is Caucasian, the other Black (teasing based on race)

I don't recall Caucasions enslaving, murdering, raping or pillaging the lands of gingers, but it has happened with Africans.

Edit:

And I love gingers and black people alike ^.^ I especially got a lil crush on black guys.

actually it did happen. during the witch hunts.

 

[BubbaJeff]

This is a subject thats been discussed quite alot recently, but i havent seen it on here.

Okay, we have two situations.

In situation one, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Ginger friend aloud 'haha, your extremely ginger'

In situation two, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Black friend aloud 'haha, your extremely black'

In Situation one and two, a minority is insulted over the way they look, So what makes situation two so much worse that situation one.

Enlighten me.

*this discussion is not limited to black people or ginger people*

and be creative with your resonses.

Okay, GO!

Edit: No offence inttended by the way, if you want to be offended..Go elsewhere.

You can dye ginger hair.

you can bleach white skin.. (MJ)

Lmao I love how that was one of the less fucked up things about senor MJ, and tbh name ONE other person who's done that and you win.... a.... cake?

 

[Keepitclean]

This is a subject thats been discussed quite alot recently, but i havent seen it on here.

Okay, we have two situations.

In situation one, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Ginger friend aloud 'haha, your extremely ginger'

In situation two, A generic white person in his work place says to his Generic Black friend aloud 'haha, your extremely black'

In Situation one and two, a minority is insulted over the way they look, So what makes situation two so much worse that situation one.

Enlighten me.

*this discussion is not limited to black people or ginger people*

and be creative with your resonses.

Okay, GO!

Edit: No offence inttended by the way, if you want to be offended..Go elsewhere.

Situation 1. Both are Caucasian (teasing for medical condition)
Situation 2. One is Caucasian, the other Black (teasing based on race)

I don't recall Caucasions enslaving, murdering, raping or pillaging the lands of gingers, but it has happened with Africans.

Edit:

And I love gingers and black people alike ^.^ I especially got a lil crush on black guys.

Gingerness isn't a "medical" condition. It's genetic and is perfectly healthy, like being black.

Being black is caused by genes, just like being ginger so your arguement is kinda void.