Blizzad reveals new characters for Overwatch

[Riotguards]

all this talk about diversity yet there isn't one of you who are demanding diversity are willing to go and sort this problem by making games themselves

you're all pop culture critics which have very little to offer gaming

let developers make decent characters whom they like NOT characters who they hate and checks tickboxes for SJW's who will never play the game

 

[Sandjube]

I like both. I have a massive thing for gunslingers, so Mcgree looks awesome, and Zarya looks fairly neat, though after seeing an edit of her with blonde hair I wish she had had that.

 

[Zhukov]

all this talk about diversity yet there isn't one of you who are demanding diversity are willing to go and sort this problem by making games themselves

you're all pop culture critics which have very little to offer gaming

let developers make decent characters whom they like NOT characters who they hate and checks tickboxes for SJW's who will never play the game

So I take it you have never criticized any game on any front without first knuckling down to make a better game of your own?

Hmm, let's see...

Ohh, here we go [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.868545.21739432]. A post in which you complain about Fallout New Vegas, saying that is has a boringly empty map and dull characters.

So, where's the game you made with a map full of awesome stuff and lots of interesting characters? It sounds fun, can I play it? How much does it cost?

I mean, I'd hate to think you were just a pop culture critic with nothing to offer gaming.

PS. I cannot speak for my SJW brethren, but I am someone who likes to see a bit of diversity and I fully intend to play this game.

 

[inmunitas]

PS. I cannot speak for my SJW brethren, but I am someone who likes to see a bit of diversity and I fully intend to play this game.

Then why don't you just spend more money on the games that have what you like, instead of expecting everyone to cater to your specific tastes?

 

[Zhukov]

PS. I cannot speak for my SJW brethren, but I am someone who likes to see a bit of diversity and I fully intend to play this game.

Then why don't you just spend more money on the games that have what you like, instead of expecting everyone to cater to your specific tastes?

What makes you think that I don't?

Are you under the impression that I run around spending money on games that I don't like?

 

[Riotguards]

So I take it you have never criticized any game on any front without first knuckling down to make a better game of your own?

Hmm, let's see...

Ohh, here we go [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/9.868545.21739432]. A post in which you complain about Fallout New Vegas, saying that is has a boringly empty map and dull characters.

So, where's the game you made with a map full of awesome stuff and lots of interesting characters? It sounds fun, can I play it? How much does it cost?

I mean, I'd hate to think you were just a pop culture critic with nothing to offer gaming.

PS. I cannot speak for my SJW brethren, but I am someone who likes to see a bit of diversity and I fully intend to play this game.

completely different, i'm not demanding that fallout NV to be better by getting a better map, etc, etc nor am i arguing that fallout NV is a bad game because it has a stereotype diversity check box character to be put into it "for mah diversity"

criticizing and demanding changes are two COMPLETELY different things which if you think constructive feedback vs frivolous check box ticking characters then i really have nothing to say to you

 

[inmunitas]

PS. I cannot speak for my SJW brethren, but I am someone who likes to see a bit of diversity and I fully intend to play this game.

Then why don't you just spend more money on the games that have what you like, instead of expecting everyone to cater to your specific tastes?

What makes you think that I don't?

Are you under the impression that I run around spending money on games that I don't like?

Then why do "SJW" types get defensive when people criticize them for being shallow superficial morons? I am not defined as a person by my physical appearance, or gender. I have my own collection of thoughts, feels, experiences and memories, that's what makes me, me. To suggest otherwise is just insulting, as it would be to anyone. I do not need to be "represented" in a video game to be "included", which is the argument people (at least in the media) seem to be making.

 

[Zhukov]

PS. I cannot speak for my SJW brethren, but I am someone who likes to see a bit of diversity and I fully intend to play this game.

Then why don't you just spend more money on the games that have what you like, instead of expecting everyone to cater to your specific tastes?

What makes you think that I don't?

Are you under the impression that I run around spending money on games that I don't like?

Then why do "SJW" types get defensive when people criticize them for being shallow superficial morons?

I'm pretty sure most people get defensive if you call them shallow superficial morons.

Except those who get aggressive I suppose.

Can't say I see what that question had to do with the subject at hand.

completely different, i'm not demanding that fallout NV to be better by getting a better map, etc, etc nor am i arguing that fallout NV is a bad game because it has a stereotype diversity check box character to be put into it "for mah diversity"

criticizing and demanding changes are two COMPLETELY different things which if you think constructive feedback vs frivolous check box ticking characters then i really have nothing to say to you

Ah, yes. "It's different when I do it." Classic.

"I don't like your character designs" and "I think your map is empty and boring" are both criticisms. They both imply the possibility of improvement. They're both subjective of course, but so is all criticism.

You just describe one of them as "constructive criticism" and the other as "mah diversity". And for some reason one of them necessitates the critic making their own game before opening their mouths.

As rhetorical devices go, I've seen better.

 

[Phasmal]

I am not defined as a person by my physical appearance, or gender. I have my own collection of thoughts, feels, experiences and memories, that's what makes me, me. To suggest otherwise is just insulting, as it would be to anyone.

What on earth does that have to do with anything?
If gender and physical appearance don't matter, why do you have an issue with a wider range of it?

Surely that is nothing but positive.
And I'm waiting for proof Blizzard didn't actually want to make this character. They did this because they wanted to.

 

[Riotguards]

Ah, yes. "It's different when I do it." Classic.

"I don't like your character designs" and "I think your map is empty and boring" are both criticisms. They both imply the possibility of improvement. They're both subjective of course, but so is all criticism.

You just describe one of them as "constructive criticism" and the other as "mah diversity". And for some reason one of them necessitates the critic making their own game before opening their mouths.

As rhetorical devices go, I've seen better.

wtf are you even on? can't you read or do i have to spell it out again

demanding changes = bad

criticizing a subjective implementation = good

as much as i love your non sequitur arguments and while you lot are all arguing against "straight white males" i'm playing video games sometimes as a man, sometimes as a women (oh mah diversity) maybe its because i'm not super super SJW or something but i don't care about gender, just gameplay (like every video game should be)

 

[Riotguards]

What on earth does that have to do with anything?
If gender and physical appearance don't matter, why do you have an issue with a wider range of it?

Surely that is nothing but positive.
And I'm waiting for proof Blizzard didn't actually want to make this character. They did this because they wanted to.

because its means we have to have a tick box quality characters instead of characters made from love

 

[Phasmal]

What on earth does that have to do with anything?
If gender and physical appearance don't matter, why do you have an issue with a wider range of it?

Surely that is nothing but positive.
And I'm waiting for proof Blizzard didn't actually want to make this character. They did this because they wanted to.

because its means we have to have a tick box quality characters instead of characters made from love

Because the only characters that are made with love are the generic ones?
Okay, prove that.

I'd like to see you objectively measure the love that goes into making each character, and prove a lack of `love` on this one's behalf.

OR- equally, you could realise that a greater choice harms no one and that we all got a new character out of this and whining about it would be really dumb.

 

[inmunitas]

I am not defined as a person by my physical appearance, or gender. I have my own collection of thoughts, feels, experiences and memories, that's what makes me, me. To suggest otherwise is just insulting, as it would be to anyone.

What on earth does that have to do with anything?
If gender and physical appearance don't matter, why do you have an issue with a wider range of it?

Surely that is nothing but positive.

People don't have an issue with having a wider range of characters, the issue is that it's being portrayed by the media as some kind of obscure "requirement" to be met, and not meeting this "requirement" is something to be ashamed of.

 

[Phasmal]

I am not defined as a person by my physical appearance, or gender. I have my own collection of thoughts, feels, experiences and memories, that's what makes me, me. To suggest otherwise is just insulting, as it would be to anyone.

What on earth does that have to do with anything?
If gender and physical appearance don't matter, why do you have an issue with a wider range of it?

Surely that is nothing but positive.

People don't have an issue with having a wider range of characters, the issue is that it's being portrayed by the media as some kind of obscure "requirement" to be met, and not meeting this "requirement" is something to be ashamed of.

I dunno. The industry has been quite stagnant with characters in the past. It's not really something to be PROUD of either.
I can already see we're probably not going to see eye-to-eye on this issue, though. So I'll just enjoy this character for being something new and ignore the people who will inevitably never be pleased. Who are people that will always exist no matter what.

 

[Gengisgame]

PS. I cannot speak for my SJW brethren, but I am someone who likes to see a bit of diversity and I fully intend to play this game.

"I don't like your character designs" and "I think your map is empty and boring" are both criticisms. They both imply the possibility of improvement. They're both subjective of course, but so is all criticism.

You just describe one of them as "constructive criticism" and the other as "mah diversity". And for some reason one of them necessitates the critic making their own game before opening their mouths.

As rhetorical devices go, I've seen better.

I can see where your coming from, the idea that this is what people want, that would be fine but it's clear that for a good number of people that they only wanted this is some some sort protest against what others like, they themselves don't want this and don't actually care about the end design which in this case I consider a bare basic marine design.

 

[Zhukov]

Ah, yes. "It's different when I do it." Classic.

"I don't like your character designs" and "I think your map is empty and boring" are both criticisms. They both imply the possibility of improvement. They're both subjective of course, but so is all criticism.

You just describe one of them as "constructive criticism" and the other as "mah diversity". And for some reason one of them necessitates the critic making their own game before opening their mouths.

As rhetorical devices go, I've seen better.

wtf are you even on? can't you read or do i have to spell it out again

demanding changes = bad

criticizing a subjective implementation = good

Same thing. Just a matter of phrasing.

"The map in this game is boring and empty."

"I wish the map in this game had more interesting things in it."

"I demand the developers put more interesting things in their map!"

Exact same criticism. If the developers consider it groundless or not in their best interests to respond then they are free to deny or disregard it.

Tell me, if the developers of New Vegas were to release another game and say, "We heard some people considered our previous maps to be a bit thin in terms of content, so we devoted more resources to map design this time around, we hope you like it", would this be a bad thing? Would they be just checking boxes to satisfy the Map Content Pedants?

as much as i love your non sequitur arguments and while you lot are all arguing against "straight white males" i'm playing video games sometimes as a man, sometimes as a women (oh mah diversity) maybe its because i'm not super super SJW or something but i don't care about gender, just gameplay (like every video game should be)

Okay, so you're indifferent to gender and whatnot. A totally fair position to take.

If that's the case however, why do you care about "checkboxes"? After all, they pertain to matters you claim not to care about.

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!

 

[inmunitas]

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!

That's not what "SJWs" sound like though, it's more:

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Misogyny! White male cis manbaby you are going to have two extra teaspoons of sugar, and you are going to like it! If you do not do as we say, we are going to tell everyone your an awful person who hates women and is racist/transphobic/MRA/right-wing, we are going to dox you, and try get you fired from your job shitlord!"
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!

 

[Zhukov]

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!

That's not what "SJWs" sound like though, it's more:

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Misogyny! White male cis manbaby you are going to have two extra teaspoons of sugar, and you are going to like it! If you do not do as say, we are going to tell everyone you hate women and you are a transphobic/MRA/right-wing, we are going to dox you, and try get you fired from your job shitlord!"
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!

I have not seen anyone say anything like that here.

I certainly have never said anything like that myself.

If you have encountered someone saying that and you disagree with them then I suggest you take it up with them as I cannot speak on their behalf.

 

[Riotguards]

Okay, so you're indifferent to gender and whatnot. A totally fair position to take.

If that's the case however, why do you care about "checkboxes"? After all, they pertain to matters you claim not to care about.

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!

not at all i would say its like this

You: "I don't like tea"
SJW: "I don't drink tea but everyone should conform to my ideology and make everyone LIKE coffee!"
You: "I don't like coffee either but nobody should be forced to abandon tea or be forced to like coffee
SJW: "Logic? REASONING?! your just a misogynist women hater who is rape staring me!"

 

[Zhukov]

Okay, so you're indifferent to gender and whatnot. A totally fair position to take.

If that's the case however, why do you care about "checkboxes"? After all, they pertain to matters you claim not to care about.

You: "I don't care how much sugar is in the tea, I can't taste it."
SJW: "Okay then, well I'd like two extra teaspoons of sugar."
You: "Stop demanding sweet tea! Let them make it however they like!

not at all i would say its like this

You: "I don't like tea"
SJW: "I don't drink tea but everyone should conform to my ideology and make everyone LIKE coffee!"
You: "I don't like coffee either but nobody should be forced to abandon tea or be forced to like coffee
SJW: "Logic? REASONING?! your just a misogynist women hater who is rape staring me!"

Like I said to the other guy, I haven't seen anyone saying that here. (Hell, I've never even seen the phrase "rape staring" before.)

I have said nothing alone those lines.

If you have encountered someone... etc etc [exact same thing I said to the other guy].

Also, you didn't answer my question:

Tell me, if the developers of New Vegas were to release another game and say, "We heard some people considered our previous maps to be a bit thin in terms of content, so we devoted more resources to map design this time around, we hope you like it", would this be a bad thing? Would they be just checking boxes to satisfy the Map Content Pedants?