BNP Protests
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I think you may have misunderstood me, perhaps I should have been clearer. First off I mean't to say some people don't deserve free speech as in cases such as this in which they would just abuse it, I never mentioned anything about taking it away. I would love to get into a logical argument with a BNP member but I'm afraid they are quite one sided in their views and it is very unlikely that most BNP members would be able to get it through that thick head of theirs.Oldmanwillow said:
Apparently most conflicts can be won through debate but in this case there will be an exception because the state in which Britian is in now with immigration I do believe some people may turn to desperate measures to preserve british culture e.g. voting BNP.
So before you get angry consider the situation we are in with the so called British National Party (who claim to be true british patriots) and the context I use when I express my opinion.
By the way, "Fuck you" and typing in caps is a great way to be noticed.
Good, good, he could do with all that produce, what with the recession!
But seriously, blaming everything on the immigrants is the easy options. Hitler did it to get support for his party, look what happened there.
Those immigrants do all of the jobs the "native" population wouldn't do even in the middle of a recession. Stuff most of us think are "demeaning" and boring.
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But seriously, blaming everything on the immigrants is the easy options. Hitler did it to get support for his party, look what happened there.
Those immigrants do all of the jobs the "native" population wouldn't do even in the middle of a recession. Stuff most of us think are "demeaning" and boring.
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I do believe there is quote of the BNP leader saying Hitler's book (Mien Kraft or whatever) is his "bible".Cargando said:
Yes, he did say something of that ilk. (the book is called Mein Kampf)Booze Zombie said:
He's also addressed a meeting of the KKK (acording to the same sorts of sources as the MK thing).
(In my opinion, the only correct way to address those degenerates is with a snappy one-liner and an uzi in either hand.)
Every crime that has ever been comitted against me in Britan has been by white, British criminal, and every boss I've seen try to make a personal profit out of screwing-up a British company has be white and British, so I refuse to believe that foreigners have anything to do with the state this country is in.
My solution would be to ban holocaust denial like several nations in Europe have. Several of the higher-ups in the BNP would be affected, but it would not be targeting the BNP directly (therefore less risk of them being seen as martyrs), and would also appease people on both sides of the "political correctness" arguements.
The big problem with free speech (or perceived free speech in places that don't actually have free speech), is that there are too many people who understand the right, but not the responsibility.
Including or not including you? Who is a judge of which people are too "stupid" to deserve the right to say what they're thinking? Once we start limiting the Free Speech rights of anyone, we risk having our own right to say what we think is right taken away. Without the right to speak, we lose many, many more rights and benefits as well. Free Speech is like giving everyone a gun, whereas limited Free Speech is when the people with power have guns and folks like me and you have nothing.Nmil-ek said:
From the sounds of them, I can already tell any BNP members I might meet would feature prominently in my daydreams along with gasoline, duct tape, a lighter and a knife, but I still support their right to spout whatever stupid drivel they care to. Then I can exercise my right to tell them how moronic they are. I'm not exactly pro-immigration (especially when they sneak right over the borders and dodge taxes), but it has nothing to do with racism for me. White, black, whatever, we're in a recession and the last thing we need over here is more people... Which is why hateful jerks like these are so annoying to me, since they create the illusion that anti-immigration ideology is based off of racism.
And there's no way I'm making my permanent residence anyplace that doesn't have it in writing that every man, woman and child has the right to say whatever they want. It may be very nice where you live, but that's an important issue for me.
you know what I've always found funny.... When people use "Aryan" to be " super mythic white guy"....you know considering the REAL Aryan race was a nomadic tribe found from Iran into northern India...and had some of the BEST mounted archers as their light Calvary...and actually gave Alexander the great a major fight in Saudi Arabia...and once he absorbed them into his army, played major rolls on his march into India...The Jono said:
My meter for who is stupid is purley from my perception, of course I use my own yard stick for judging others morality and behavior who dosent. Frankly I never want to assosciate with any BNP or their supporters, I view them as scum nothing but irredemable scum like I view all racsist trash. Im a big advocate of freedom beleive me alot of my people died to even obtain it in Scotland but I can see where draw the line between free speech and advocating racial hate and violence and the BNP crosses it. Words are powerful and people have died from the BNPs supporters actions they do not act like a political party (I beleive the term "thugs in suits" was coined quite well)Samurai Goomba said:
And i should clear that up we do have freedom of speech ofcourse, just all the PC crap creeping into the western world reccently and censorship are becoming far more prominent. Though why is a constitution so important? Surely free speech is the result of a society and not some pretentious piece of paper.
I think this is one of those situations where I say "now, now, pelting people with eggs is not the thing to do as a form of political expression, freedom of speech, yadda, yadda, yadda...pssst, hey you...use hardboiled eggs, they hurt more.
I don't agree with the BNP, but violent protests aren't the way to solve things. If I was a Police Officer in that area I would of dealt with the protesters by way of public order offenses regardless of political view.
I agree with the guys in this thread that freedom of speech is for all. I despise the people who say "everyone deserves freedom of speech, but...", and then ramble on about how people who disagree with them don't. Obviously racism stems from ignorance, but the ignorant still have a right to free speech. Prove the morons wrong logically, don't oppress them. They probably won't care if you prove them wrong, because they're ignorant, but others will.
Its all because of fear. Fear leads to hate. And hate leads to the dark side. - YodaDeef said:
No seriously, through fear mongering, they convince (lower class) society to vote for them. "because otherwise, some big arabic man named Mohammed is gonna rape your wife because the Quran says its ok to do that to non-islamic women! (and any resulted babies will automatically be muslims)"
Misquoting the Quran and taking it way out of context is also one of their spearheads as you can see.
Oh God, I love you guys. Honestly, the British still have balls about their protests. The only people in my country who get aggressive about their beliefs are assbackwards rednecks who assault doctors. The rest get crowded into "free speech zones" blocks away from where they'll be heard.
That said, you shouldn't try to silence racists, better to let them talk and make their views known so you can better take apart their bullshit and show them for the assbackwards racists they are. The BNP leader was correct in his news statement (linked to the video) that this was a blow against free speech and democracy and he came off sounding more professional than the girl the BBC presumably pulled off the street at random and interviewed (also linked at end of video) about why they protested in that manner. She came off as fanatical, and while I may agree with her in principle, she'd have served her cause better by staying calm and collected.
THAT said, it was very entertaining watching that pompous blowhard pelted with eggs.
That said, you shouldn't try to silence racists, better to let them talk and make their views known so you can better take apart their bullshit and show them for the assbackwards racists they are. The BNP leader was correct in his news statement (linked to the video) that this was a blow against free speech and democracy and he came off sounding more professional than the girl the BBC presumably pulled off the street at random and interviewed (also linked at end of video) about why they protested in that manner. She came off as fanatical, and while I may agree with her in principle, she'd have served her cause better by staying calm and collected.
THAT said, it was very entertaining watching that pompous blowhard pelted with eggs.
as much as i hate the BNP, the way Nick griffen was treated was disgraceful and an affront to free speach and the liberties the people who perpetrated the egging pretend to be defending. there are better ways to deal with them that don't mean lowering yourself to that level.