Breast Sizes and Complaints

[Paragon Fury]

(So the recent article from the Escapist for DoA Xtreme 3 is up and though I originally posted this there, I felt it might be a little off-topic so I moved it.)

I know people are gonna mock me for this; but to me, these are still completely averaged sized breasts. People scream on and on about how breasts in anime and video games are "huge" and "unrealistic". But when I was growing up and basically until I got to college; breasts this size were (and to my brain, still are) perfectly average and normal sized. I get that the women are a little on the thin side for the proportions, but I've always understood it as a stylistic choice or that they simply have the kind of thing bodies athletes and fighters would have instead of the body of your average non-professional athlete woman (though the women in fighters tend to have swimmer's bodies instead of fighters/strength training bodies).

Hell, basically every adult woman I knew until I went to college who wasn't an old lady had a breasts like;

Spoiler

Etc.

I'm not kidding either; gross as it is to have to consider, yes, my Mom and Aunts were hot (ugh, its weird and awkward to even have to type that). Even the couple of female teachers I had when I was a kid in public school would've been considered "hot". Then I left public school in 5th grade and went to private school where there were no girls and the only female teachers and staff were like 55+ years old.

And since I only really went to the game store and the comic book shop (since I wore a uniform at school and thus didn't really need any new clothes that I didn't get at Christmas) I didn't really see any other girls my age or women who were adults that weren't my family. So it was pretty easy to come to the conclusion that "Adult women have big breasts; women who don't either aren't fully grown, are old or are the rare exception". It wasn't until I got to college that I got exposed to women with a wide variety of body types (and even then, the college I went to had a male-female ratio of 7 ((almost 8)) to 1. That was...interesting).

But the comments on the Youtube video, and many discussions involving anime/comics/gaming in general devolve into "people that like big breasts/asses/hips/etc. have something wrong with them".

And seeing it again today made me ask..."Why?". I mean, I know a few people here are going to come in with their explanations of "fetishism" and "fanservice" but really, it seems to go beyond that. It seems that, especially lately, if you express any interest in women who couldn't be mistaken for a boy or have above a B-Cup, you're some kind of fetishistic monster (despite the fact that the average cup size in the US is a C).

Or like when you have a story like mine - I just grew up around pretty women and that is I consider "average" or normal "well that's wrong and you should change that". Would these same people get mad at someone who likes black women because that is who he grew up around? Or an Asian man who prefers Asian women because that is what he grew up around? Would they get so snippy with a woman who prefers men with super-athletic bodies because she grew up around professional athletes her whole life?

As I mentioned before, its getting a little weird too because so many of the characters people are saying are "unrealistic" fall right within that norm for real people; I mean hell, in the DoAX3 trailer maybe the only 3 who are "too big" are Honoka, Kasumi and Momiji, and they'd still fall within "normal human size".

 

[Eclipse Dragon]

There's nothing wrong with liking big breasts (in this case I'll say D and above) or butts or anything. The issue as I understand it is that there's not much variety and people are capable of liking more than just big breasts, butts ext.

Bigger is not always better as it were and people have different tastes, so if your softcore porn only features a single body type, because that's all you think people will buy, you're missing out on some potential paying customers.

(For the record, "you" is not directed at anyone specifically, and my phrasing of "softcore porn" is not specifically reffering to DoA)

 

[Vendor-Lazarus]

This has me a bit baffled...
I was under the impression that most guys liked big breasts/hips/asses and that people like me who prefer smaller sizes where rare and also vilified as pedos or gay.
When did this turn-about happen and where was I?

To me number 1 & 3 look just a bit larger than normal but nr 2 is definitely in the Large section (at least for that body type).

 

[JamesGoblin]

I just wonder why you "spoiled" these three?

PS for what it's worth, I'm with the "medium?? way too big!" crowd.

 

[Paragon Fury]

I just wonder why you "spoiled" these three?

PS for what it's worth, I'm with the "medium?? way too big!" crowd.

Mods don't like it when you spam a lot of pictures, especially big ones since it can mess up the page loading and page width. So putting them in a spoiler gets around this by letting them load only if people want to see them.

Its also used if the pictures/video in question might be a little risque'.

 

[JamesGoblin]

I just wonder why you "spoiled" these three?

PS for what it's worth, I'm with the "medium?? way too big!" crowd.

Mods don't like it when you spam a lot of pictures, especially big ones since it can mess up the page loading and page width. So putting them in a spoiler gets around this by letting them load only if people want to see them.

Its also used if the pictures/video in question might be a little risque'.

Ah, good to know - I tend to go wild with images and videos from time to time. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Ryotknife]

Im not sure if i would call them "average" or "normal." On a heavier set woman it would be "normal," on a fit woman it would be rare (although still possible). I like big boobs and all, but there ARE some examples in anime that are just waaayy too big. Like they can easily use their own breasts as pillows to sleep on.

Although i've learned a long time ago to never truthfully guess a woman's weight, age, or measurements. Usually ends up with a knee to the crotch.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I love big tits, I'm not complaining.
I do think that your (everyone's) perception of what is large and what is small is framed within the relative smallness of the one place you inhabit. I get people from all over the world where I work, and comparing sizes, American women ("nordic" women in general) tend to have the bigger tits. Bigger everything, really. While the Dead or Alive boobage might seem average to you, I can confidently say it's well above average.

 

[cathou]

i think it's not really the size. first, while have c or d cup on an average body frame is perfectly normal, have the same breasts on a really slim body size start to get unrealistic. breasts are essentially fat. it's unlikely to have a d cup size breats on a completely fat less body, unless you replace the fat by silicon.

also keep in mind that there's a big difference between having big breasts and have breasts that look big. believe me, with the right bra, outfit and makeup, i can dramatically change the apparent size of these things. and in DoA, clearly, they are big, they dont just like big.

and there's also the gravity defying animation in DoA. with breasts that big, those body and what they are wearing to fight, i would expect breasts sore and back pain after a combat...

that said, they are above average and move unrealistically, but it's DoA, we dont expect them to suddently change the game to have more body type in the game.

 

[Something Amyss]

There's nothing wrong with liking big breasts (in this case I'll say D and above) or butts or anything. The issue as I understand it is that there's not much variety and people are capable of liking more than just big breasts, butts ext.

I'd say there's a bit of an issue when people start considering breasts larger than your head to be "average."

I think the larger issue (hehe) tends to come in the form of a one-two punch of people not copping to liking big boobs, and then people trying not rationalise why they have to be in everything. Like, "how can I possibly enjoy my survival horror if her boobs are smaller than her head?"

I mean, seriously, have we forgotten what video games are about? Teaching us new and inventive ways to murder, while slowly eroding our consci...wait, I wasn't supposed to say that part.

People like to look and boobs, but don't want to cop to it. Se we see arguments about realism and shit, as though 120" breasts that handle like C cups are realistic in anything resembling our reality. Then there's the notion that they also have to be ubiquitous. It seems very few people actually give a crap if there's T&A in DOAX. You seem to find more people questioning why Lara needs to have two Goodyear blimps on her chest.

Or why people got so angry when they made her more modestly endowed.

Spoiler: this is apparently flat chested now

Honestly, I find the new Lara more attractive. Possibly because I'm sexually attracted to dirt.

<.<

 

[briankoontz]

Titillation and idealization unless they are incorporated into the meaning of the art have no artistic merit, in the same way as anything else outside the meaning of the art degrades it's quality.

The difference with titillation and idealization is that we *excuse* it - instead of just "bad art" we say "well, sex sells" or "heterosexual men's desires are catered to". We use market capitalism as justification, instead of criticizing the market itself. The "invisible hand" of the market is by no means invisible - we in fact control the nature and content of the market - for example the market (in some places) is not allowed to buy and sell human beings.

So the idea that we have no control over the market, and it's some inevitable law of nature that titillation and idealization must be excused while *other* elements that degrade a video game are *not* excused, is false.

 

[Erttheking]

Well it's fine that you accept them as average, but you do need to acknowledge that they are not average.

As for "Like tits? There's something wrong with you!" and "fetishistic monster" A. Is this happening in any serious amounts and B. Are these arguments being made by people who aren't insufferable cunts? Either way, I seriously doubt anyone on the Escapist truly believes that, so I don't really know what else to say about it.

I mean you seem to be decrying a stance that I've never really seen. Especially around here, where criticism at fanservice is directed at the fanservice alone. Unless you count that post I made a couple of days ago where I asked who the hell wanted fanservicey characters mixed with Mortal Kombat gore.

Yeah I suppose there are women with tits that big, despite this I feel like they are highly overepresented. Also, they may have tits that big, but women with tits that big most certainly won't be able to move about as freely as the video game characters would, especially with how they're dressed, as someone above me pointed out.

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Honestly, I find the new Lara more attractive. Possibly because I'm sexually attracted to dirt.

<.<

You must hate Mr. Sparkle.

OT: Boobs are boobs. I'm of the mind that anything beyond a handful is just potential for sprained thumbs (especially if they're fake and cheaply done) but then a handful is defined by hand size and spread so... Not a great baseline.
I prefer good hip and rear structures personally over boobs though.

 

[Luminous_Umbra]

I absolutely agree. And the worst part is when people treat those with large breasts in games like freaks, completely forgetting that people with those proportions exist.

I mean, well done, nice work calling a bunch of people (who might already deal with issues related to their breast size offline) freaks or some variant. Well done. Doing so much for gaming and women. Bravo.

 

[skywolfblue]

to me, these are still completely averaged sized breasts.

Hell, basically every adult woman I knew until I went to college who wasn't an old lady had a breasts like;

So EVERY adult woman you met had D cups???

That's far from average.

Or why people got so angry when they made her more modestly endowed.

Their disappointment is my gain. I personally think the new realistic Laura is a million times hotter. Dirt optional.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

Call me weird, but the only time a person should ever complain about boobs is if they're the ones carrying them, and only those they carry.

So what if we have game characters running around with giant boobs? These days they aren't the alpha, and omega. We get a better spread across the cup sizes, imo.

We shouldn't boob shame. There are all sorts of people in the world, and tastes to go along with them. Some like them big, some not. Some have them big, and are as ... damn, what's the word I'm looking for? not entitled... some other word not as severe... as the people without them.
Point is every body type should be getting some sorta recognition, IMO, and it feels like the industry is working more towards that now than ever. They aren't there, but still, they're working towards it.

Personally, I'm a fan of boobs of many sizes. From the gravity defying bigger than life anime boobs to just barely there. It really kinda depends on the person who has the burden.

The hows and whys of why we like what we like in regards to boobs have many articles where attempts are made to explain these things.

 

[Scarim Coral]

This has me a bit baffled...
I was under the impression that most guys liked big breasts/hips/asses and that people like me who prefer smaller sizes where rare and also vilified as pedos or gay.
When did this turn-about happen and where was I?

I guess this happened when women were drawn into videogames (PS2 era) and grew large enough that they can voice their complain toward larger breast (I mean big boobs was one of the power fantasies for the male gamers during the 80's and 90's) and news report caught their attention.

OT- All I can say is using Fallout intro "War. War never change". Ok war may not be the exact word I want but, none the less complain toward big breast in video game never change. Lara Croft, Soul Calibur, Dragon Crown and the previous DoS games and etc.

Also yes I do like big boob (within limits as super big boob are unappealing) and I am fully aware not every single women out there have big boobs and I'm ok with that.

 

[EyeReaper]

Honestly, I find the new Lara more attractive. Possibly because I'm sexually attracted to dirt.

<.<

A fetish that's very well grounded.

OT: I get what you're saying. DoA bewbs aren't completely unrealistic, especially the closer you get to Hollywood, and a love of tit-ulation isn't inherently a bad thing, even if I personally don't get what the fuss over them is all about.

They are definitely not the standard though.

Maybe it's just me, but If the best argument someone can make is to attack your boob fetish (or any other part of your sexuality) they've pretty much already lost the case to me. At least you won't ever have to defend your waifu from being called "pedobait"

 

[Amaror]

Meh, boobs sizes have a wide spectrum. I have met tons of women with really big boobs, tons of women with barely any boobs and tons of women in between. Though the one's you showed are definetly in the larger category.
Tastes for boobs sizes are also widely different. I have one friend that's so fixated on large breasts that it's nearly the most important part of the womens body for him, which means he dated a lot of heavier women because they had larger breasts.
Personally it's not really important. What's more important than any one part of a womens body is that all of it fits well together for a pleasing look. I have seen women that look amazing with large breasts and ones that look amazing with small breasts. And I have also seen women that looked horrible with both. It doesn't really matter, the overall look matters.
But I think the overall problem in videogames is also going away slowly. I am seeing less and less games with just DD-cubs everywhere and a lot more average sizes.