Breast Sizes and Complaints

[Kathinka]

Breasts are like Coke vs. Pepsi. We each have our preference, but in the end of the day, we'll take what is set in front of us.

And really, the whole debate is a bit redundant because we are dealing with characters from a video game here. Fictional characters whose every aspect is crafted to be appealing to the audience. There is neither a need nor would it be beneficial to anyone in observing some sort of quota or whatever.

 

[Something Amyss]

You must hate Mr. Sparkle.

Even Homer Simpson sends me into a frothing rage due to the similarities in appearance. Damn fishbulbs!

OT: Boobs are boobs. I'm of the mind that anything beyond a handful is just potential for sprained thumbs (especially if they're fake and cheaply done) but then a handful is defined by hand size and spread so... Not a great baseline.
I prefer good hip and rear structures personally over boobs though.

I tend to be rather unconcerned with boob size as a rule, especially considering my SO's are bigger than MY head. eep.

So EVERY adult woman you met had D cups???

That's far from average.

Well, actually, the average American woman is 34DD, if Intimacy is to be believed.

Their disappointment is my gain. I personally think the new realistic Laura is a million times hotter. Dirt optional.

DIRT IS NEVER OPTIONAL!

...wait, I mean....

Call me weird

Okay, Weird. Would that be Rebel Weird or Weird Raven?

A fetish that's very well grounded.

I'm a down to Earth kind of gal.

 

[Dizchu]

It's threads like this that make me ashamed of liking the female body.

You know what? There is too much of an obsession with moderately large, physics-defying breasts.
You know what else? Whenever characters with large busts get called "disgusting" and breasts get referred to as "obscene", it negatively impacts real women with large breasts.

You know what the solution would be? Stop obsessing over them. Tits are great, I love tits of many different sizes and I'd no doubt get judged harshly for appreciating both ends of the spectrum. But I'm absolutely appalled at their excessive fetishisation. If you're into that, fine. But when that attitude extends outside the realm of porn and erotic material it's just... really weird, ya know?

Why can't we just have female characters with huge tits that are normal people, not sacks of meat to be ogled at? It is possible, shocking I know.

 

[s0denone]

I hate the new Lara for a series of reasons.

- She is MORE sexualized now that she is "realistic" than when she was a perfect hourglass-shaped woman with balloon boobs.

- "You will want to protect her". Cue sexy and pointless moanings of Lara during the game.

- She went from being her own character to simply being a female version of Nathan Drake (even including the sexy "goodlooking person in danger and dirt" thing).

Huh, what? The fact that Lara Croft now has more realistic proportions is a negative in terms of sexualization?

The fact that she moans, groans and grunts while jumping, running and whatever is "pointless" and has to do with sexualization?

She is the female Nathan Drake? Uh no, Nathan Drake would be the male Lara Croft, friend. Lara Croft being good-looking and being in danger and dirty by happenstance isn't really further sexualization either, is it?

To be honest some of the posts on this forum have me questioning whether your post is genuine or not. Is there some kind of elaborate prank being played? A hoax?

 

[StormShaun]

The street goes both ways my good fellow.
You might be seen like that for liking the bigger kind, but sometimes when you like the smaller kind of breasts, people can look at you and go, "what are you, a pedo" and "pff, you're not a man." All of these are apart of a giant list, and it really depends. Responses vary depending on opinion, country, and all of those details. After all, everyone and everywhere is different. If you ask me, it looks like men are expected to like the bigger kind... but that's from my perspective.

Bottom point, we all have preferences, and if someone calls yours weird and all of that, well, who cares, they're an ass.
Your preference is yours alone, and no matter what we like, we all have to carry the consequence for it.

...
Flat is still justice though.

 

[Something Amyss]

I hate the new Lara for a series of reasons.

- She is MORE sexualized now that she is "realistic" than when she was a perfect hourglass-shaped woman with balloon boobs.

- "You will want to protect her". Cue sexy and pointless moanings of Lara during the game.

- She went from being her own character to simply being a female version of Nathan Drake (even including the sexy "goodlooking person in danger and dirt" thing).

Oldschool Lara was only slightly more of a character than the paddles in Pong.

 

[Something Amyss]

The same goes for Kratos and for Kazuma Kiryuu and for Master Chef and for Link.
All of them are some of the most popular videogame characters in gaming.

But when a female character is the same as those boys, then we can't have that....

Okay, you just told someone not to be rude to you.

Well, don't be forcing opinions that I don't hold on me.

I have literally mocked three of the four characters on your list for being cardboard cutouts, blank slates, and empty vessels for people to project on. And I might be four for four if I knew who the hell Kazuma Kiryuu was. I have also thrown in for good measure guys like Gordon Freeman.

Do not turn this into something it isn't. I am not holding Lara to a different standard. You brought up her being her own character. Not me. You. And when I criticised that, your defense was to bring up other cardboard cutouts? It sounds like you're making my point for me. That Lara's comparable to generic grizzled brown haired guy doesn't hurt my argument. It verifies it.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

Titillation and idealization unless they are incorporated into the meaning of the art have no artistic merit, in the same way as anything else outside the meaning of the art degrades it's quality.

Why does it need to have artistic merit? Why can't it be just for fun? I mean, fun things are fun. Why not just enjoy it?

 

[SquallTheBlade]

I'll say it again: all of these characters are among the most popular characters in gaming. There is a reason for that. Maybe because being a "cardboard cutout which is a vessel for people to project on"... ISN'T A BAD THING IN A VIDEOGAME.

Personally, I hate self-insert characters. They are boring. Only game where it worked was in Ar Nosurge and that was because the game did some neat things with the fact that you as a player exist.

About your examples, only thing I can think of why they got popular is that they are from great games. The characters alone aren't interesting, the games are.

 

[Willinium]

Don't get me wrong, as with any hotblooded straight male I do love large breasts, but my problem has always been with the physics of them ypu know? I've always imagined that all that weight, I imagine about 5 to 10 pounds of hanging breast flesh, must be hell on the back and I always want to ask how do they deal with it? My only real problem is when they " enhance " a character that had already been established for no real reason say for example Liara and Ashley from the Mass Effect Trilogy.

 

[IceForce]

The street goes both ways my good fellow.
You might be seen like that for liking the bigger kind, but sometimes when you like the smaller kind of breasts, people can look at you and go, "what are you, a pedo" and "pff, you're not a man."

Ugh, I fucking hate that.

But yes, to some of us, it seems like society in general is obsessed with large breast sizes. You have women queuing up wanting breast enlargements (even though some of us guys would rather they didn't and think they're perfectly alright as they are).

 

[Erttheking]

You're right: I had forgotten Gordon Freeman!

And maybe even Geralt could be added to the list?

I'll say it again: all of these characters are among the most popular characters in gaming. There is a reason for that. Maybe because being a "cardboard cutout which is a vessel for people to project on"... ISN'T A BAD THING IN A VIDEOGAME.

The only female version of a perfect, over-the-top cardboard cutout was Lara Croft.

Master Chef, Gordon Freeman, Link, Kratos, Kazuma Kiryuu etc. etc. were not suddenly turned into "realistic" characters. None of them was turned into a moaning figure that "we want to protect". But Lara was. Because we can't have a female character being like the boys, can we?

I'm glad you like the new Lara, and obviously I will never change your mind, because different people have different tastes. I'm just explaining you how I view the situation and why I don't like at all the new Lara. I doubt that is being rude.

Gordon Freeman? The nobody? Geralt? What, the most boring person to ever walk the Earth? The guy who couldn't get his voice above a disinterested drawl when accusing someone of being a rapist? Oh yeah, more of that asshole please.

I disagree. Outside of games where you create your own character, games that have blank slate protagonists take the easy and lazy way out. Games with create your own protagonist need to have a wide variety of options so that the player can RP the way they want. Games with pre-established characters with set personalities have stories based around those personalities and have a tighter narrative. Cardboard cutouts don't have either, instead they have...nothing.

I suppose you're right there. Samus actually had a subtle personality, which is why I actually give a damn about her. Shame Other M decided making things subtle was bad and that melodrama was good.

You're going to have to do a LITTLE more than that to prove that Something Amyss is holding up some kind of double standard, otherwise you're just you're pulling arguments out of thin air. I say this because it REALLY sounds like you're projecting the "person you want to project" stuff onto Amyss. Speaking of which, the "protect" line was something thrown out by a stupid asshole and everyone on the dev team pretty much jumped on him to correct him.

If you don't want to be rude, maybe step away from the rhetorical questions that honestly sound rather passive aggressive.

 

[SquallTheBlade]

I dunno. It'd be easy to say "I hate self-insert characters".

But do you REALLY hate ALL of them? Even if you did so much as to enjoy Skyrim or Fallout, or almost any fps, it means you like self-insert characters.

This doesn't really work. I like Skyrim but I dislike it's main character. Just as I like something like, Tales of Graces but dislike it's main character. It's the same thing, only I dislike the main character for different reasons.

 

[Burgers2013]

Don't get me wrong, as with any hotblooded straight male I do love large breasts, but my problem has always been with the physics of them you know? I've always imagined that all that weight, I imagine about 5 to 10 pounds of hanging breast flesh, must be hell on the back and I always want to ask how do they deal with it?

I had a cousin the boobs like shown above. She isn't quite as skinny as them. She was average weight. However, her breasts were very disproportionately large compared to the rest of her body. Her breasts hurt her badly, especially since she developed very quickly at a young age (just before middle school). It hurt her to run; she basically had to hold onto them as she ran even with a bra, so no sports. And of course, because children are sociopaths, she was picked on badly about it for years. She also had a lot of back pain. She's wanted a reduction since early high school. She deals with it mostly by getting expensive, very rigid bras to keep everything in place and wide straps to keep the bra from digging into her shoulders/back.

I'm sure not everyone with a natural breast size that large has issues, but seeing how much trouble she had has definitely colored my experience; I was very lucky to have breasts small enough that I could function in gym and play around outside with everyone else. The jiggly-boob physics/gigantic breasts of DOA and Soul Caliber games started leaving a bad taste in my mouth and became eye-roll worthy as I got older. I remember loving those games (especially SC for the gamecube) when I was younger. But, we (as a trio of girls) eventually just stopped picking those titles up after the booby stuff stopped being funny. I'm sure it was a huge loss on the companies' end.

OT: Those are definitely larger than average breasts. It's totally okay and cool that you are into that. There is nothing wrong with it at all.

On a side note that probably no one cares about: The letter sizes for bra cups are not the same for all strap diameters. A 32C bra has a cup that is smaller than a 40C bra. The letter is only directly relational to the other letter sizes in the same strap diameter. So, the cup size of a 32C bra is definitely bigger than a 32B, but it may be the same size or smaller than a 40B. I don't know where they get that the average bra size is a "C" if a "C" is not always the same size. I always found this to be weird. Maybe it means that most people have a certain ratio of boob to torso diameter, not a particular boob size. That's probably a better way to measure it, actually.

 

[Something Amyss]

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I'm glad you like the new Lara, and obviously I will never change your mind, because different people have different tastes.

I said I found her more attractive. Not that I liked her.

I'm just explaining you how I view the situation and why I don't like at all the new Lara. I doubt that is being rude.

You disingenuously changed the argument from Lara having character to the benefit of self-insert blank slates, accused me of a double standard I was holing for male characters I don't like, and misrepresented me twice. I consider this to be rude, yes. And if you need to shift the goalposts and put words in my mouth, you're not "just explaining." In fact, you seem to have taken umbrage with something I didn't say.

If what you liked about old Lara is that she was a blank slate you could imprint on, why didn't you say so in the first place? Why did it take me pointing it out and you accusing me of a double standard?

 

[Something Amyss]

Maybe it means that most people have a certain ratio of boob to torso diameter, not a particular boob size. That's probably a better way to measure it, actually.

The cup size is the band size subtracted from the bust size, inches equaling letters. It's not a ratio as such, but it does tell you how many inches larger the fullest portion of the bra has to be. So yeah, a "C" average would indicate that women, on average, have breasts with approximately a 3" larger circumference then their torso.

Of course, there's a good number of women who don't know how to find a fitting bra, which can be an issue (and lead to a lot of discomfort), so I often wonder where the numbers are coming from.