Stealth game, perhaps?Quiet Stranger said:Maybe you castrate all the rapists.....or somethingbinvjoh said:Wait, what? Is it about getting someone to sleep with you willingly? Is it a game where you snipe rapists? I don't understand.
Stealth game, perhaps?Quiet Stranger said:Maybe you castrate all the rapists.....or somethingbinvjoh said:Wait, what? Is it about getting someone to sleep with you willingly? Is it a game where you snipe rapists? I don't understand.
Im one of those people. Guess what. We only 'binge drink' when we get the chance because we figure we might as well take the oppurtunities when they present themselves, because most of the time we are prevented by some fairly arbitrary laws which seem to suggest that the government thinks that people magically become more likely to be mature as soon as they are 18. Most of the immature/stupid people I know are not likely to chance for some considerable time. Most of the mature/responsible people I know have been that way pretty much forever.Raven said:It is demonised by rational and peace loving adults and the occasional wise youth. I live in the Thames Valley and I can assure you it seems that 85% of young people aged 13-30 see binge drinking as a perfectly normal and acceptable past-time which is the root of the problem. It is not even remotely considered taboo by any of these people... I sometimes wish our society would try and hold itself responsible. Dubai have got it right if you ask me...manythings said:Binge-drinking IS demonised and so it is taboo and awesome. Smoking, petty crime, carrying a knife yadda yadda yadda. Ignorance and self-focussed behaviour result in these issues. They think only of themselves and never even consider other people.Raven said:My local police force as it goes...
And erm, no I don't see how this will help, they need to focus their efforts on demonizing the binge drinking culture if they want to prevent these "ambiguous rapes". I'm not saying anyone deserves to get raped if they are paralytic and stumbling around in a mini-skirt leading drunk horny guys on or anything but the most this campaign will achieve is making it less of a suprise to them...
The kind of society where most men don't realize that a woman saying no means no.LightspeedJack said:What kind of society do we live in where we have to remind people not to rape?
Damn, I can't help but think that's a pretty good idea.someonehairy-ish said:Im one of those people.Raven said:It is demonised by rational and peace loving adults and the occasional wise youth. I live in the Thames Valley and I can assure you it seems that 85% of young people aged 13-30 see binge drinking as a perfectly normal and acceptable past-time which is the root of the problem. It is not even remotely considered taboo by any of these people... I sometimes wish our society would try and hold itself responsible. Dubai have got it right if you ask me...manythings said:Binge-drinking IS demonised and so it is taboo and awesome. Smoking, petty crime, carrying a knife yadda yadda yadda. Ignorance and self-focussed behaviour result in these issues. They think only of themselves and never even consider other people.Raven said:My local police force as it goes...
And erm, no I don't see how this will help, they need to focus their efforts on demonizing the binge drinking culture if they want to prevent these "ambiguous rapes". I'm not saying anyone deserves to get raped if they are paralytic and stumbling around in a mini-skirt leading drunk horny guys on or anything but the most this campaign will achieve is making it less of a suprise to them...
Id introduce some kind of card with 'marks' on it. You cause trouble whilst drunk, you get a black mark. Get one black mark, and a limit is imposed on how much you can buy. Get two, you get a temporary ban on buying drink, and so on. Id also make it mandatory that ALL drinks are paid for with this type of card, and individuals can only have one at a time. Then either remove or drastically lower the age limit. Or introduce a system where as you get older, you are allowed to buy a greater weekly/monthly quota of alcohol. Break people in slowly.
When I say binge drinking, I do mean the extreme cases and not the kind of circumstances that you enjoy a tipple for example. And I'm not criticising anyone's method of having a "good time" each to their own. I personally love a few drinks but dislike being drunk and loathe being around drunken twats getting too rowdy and thinking they're funnier than they really are. My solution? I don't go to clubs at the expense of missing on a little social life.someonehairy-ish said:Im one of those people. Guess what. We only 'binge drink' when we get the chance because we figure we might as well take the oppurtunities when they present themselves, because most of the time we are prevented by some fairly arbitrary laws which seem to suggest that the government thinks that people magically become more likely to be mature as soon as they are 18. Most of the immature/stupid people I know are not likely to chance for some considerable time. Most of the mature/responsible people I know have been that way pretty much forever.
Drinking is a perfectly normal and acceptable past time. I know people's parents who will happily go and get wankered on occassion. They aren't stupid or ignorant people. They just like having fun.
Also, don't try the 'why can't you have a good time without drink' argument. Its like saying to somebody who enjoys football 'why can't you have a good time without football.' They can. They probably frequently do. But that doesn't mean they aren't going to go to a game if they get invited.
The reality is that most 'young people' will occassionally 'binge' drink. For the majority, binge drinking actually just means 'going to a party/pub etc, getting pleasantly drunk, having a good time and then going home.' True, some people do just drink until they pass out... but if that happens, they aren' really harmind anyone but themselves. Like everything, there is a minority of idiots that typically become aggressive/otherwise out of order when drunk. And they stay in packs, cause a nuisance and get loads of attention from the media who can then cash in on the 'binge drinking epidemic.'
Id introduce some kind of card with 'marks' on it. You cause trouble whilst drunk, you get a black mark. Get one black mark, and a limit is imposed on how much you can buy. Get two, you get a temporary ban on buying drink, and so on. Id also make it mandatory that ALL drinks are paid for with this type of card, and individuals can only have one at a time. Then either remove or drastically lower the age limit. Or introduce a system where as you get older, you are allowed to buy a greater weekly/monthly quota of alcohol. Break people in slowly.
You like it? :| Its just an idea I came up with pretty much on the spot. It makes sense though. Do you think I should copy the pertinent points into another thread? Im actually kinda excited, if I came up with a law that solves problems with underage thinking then I'd at least feel like I've achieved something in life xD.SenseOfTumour said:Damn, I can't help but think that's a pretty good idea.someonehairy-ish said:Im one of those people.Raven said:It is demonised by rational and peace loving adults and the occasional wise youth. I live in the Thames Valley and I can assure you it seems that 85% of young people aged 13-30 see binge drinking as a perfectly normal and acceptable past-time which is the root of the problem. It is not even remotely considered taboo by any of these people... I sometimes wish our society would try and hold itself responsible. Dubai have got it right if you ask me...manythings said:Binge-drinking IS demonised and so it is taboo and awesome. Smoking, petty crime, carrying a knife yadda yadda yadda. Ignorance and self-focussed behaviour result in these issues. They think only of themselves and never even consider other people.Raven said:My local police force as it goes...
And erm, no I don't see how this will help, they need to focus their efforts on demonizing the binge drinking culture if they want to prevent these "ambiguous rapes". I'm not saying anyone deserves to get raped if they are paralytic and stumbling around in a mini-skirt leading drunk horny guys on or anything but the most this campaign will achieve is making it less of a suprise to them...
Id introduce some kind of card with 'marks' on it. You cause trouble whilst drunk, you get a black mark. Get one black mark, and a limit is imposed on how much you can buy. Get two, you get a temporary ban on buying drink, and so on. Id also make it mandatory that ALL drinks are paid for with this type of card, and individuals can only have one at a time. Then either remove or drastically lower the age limit. Or introduce a system where as you get older, you are allowed to buy a greater weekly/monthly quota of alcohol. Break people in slowly.
We already have 'pay as you go' debit cards, one of those linked to your verified age and ID, and able to be 'marked with demerits', that solves underage drinking, with all the crazy types of ID there are out there, and in the end, only punishes the stupid, violent troublemakers. I know it's a fiddly step, but a photo ID, it's no use if stolen, might actually be useful for other things, and yes, you could lower the age to 15 or 16, but only alowing 2 units a day, so that they could have a glass of wine with dinner if out with family, or could have a single pint when the football was on...so there's not the desperate rush to get smashed into oblivion on your 18th birthday.
I'd suggest making this a whole new thread however, I feel it has enough discussion value to merit it, while not wanting to see this one derailed.
Also, according to Cameron, binge drinking is more than 3 units a night. that's not even 2 pints of beer. I consider binge drinking getting 'can't walk properly' smashed.
someone who has 2 pints 2 or three times a week isn't a problem, they're just a convenient extra number used to back up some dodgy statistics.
In that case I agree with you, sorry for perhaps seeming aggressive. The way you came across in your earlier post made it seem more like you were more against drinking in general, at least if 'young people' are involved.Raven said:When I say binge drinking, I do mean the extreme cases and not the kind of circumstances that you enjoy a tipple for example.someonehairy-ish said:snip
What I do resent though is having the same unruly, loud and obscene behaviour of the local "fucknuckles"- (Sense of Tumour's awesome phrase^^) passing through my neighbourhood in the early hours of the morning breaking glass, shouting, vandalising swearing, urinating on people's property and leaving a trail of fast food wrappers and other unsightly garbage on my fucking doorstep!
Still I'm glad you are of the mindset to suggest positive ways of dealing with the problem, however I think it would solve itself if that 13-30 group of people actually realising it is a problem.
In that case, I was just going on personal experience, in which people who do drink that amount are generally taken care of by the friends they're with. Maybe we're all just good friends in my group though eh? I do see your point though, now that you've mentioned it ^ ^.Raven said:And as for the ones who drink until they pass out, they are a nuisance to anyone who comes into contact with them! From disgruntled bar owners to insensitive doormen to the paramedics who have to deal with their disgraceful inability to control themselves...someonehairy-ish said:snip
I'll make the new thread tomorrow, seeing as most people are asleep now and I should be as well. If you could look for it and post on it etc so it gets some attention that would be great ta xDSenseOfTumour said:Snip
Sorry to the OP, and yes, I'd make a new thread 'posible fix to the drink problem in the UK?' or something, so we don't take over this thread.
I think Facebook causes a lot of my internal rage ya know. I'm 23 but I've gone back to college (huzzar!), so a lot of my new buddies are in that especially vocal 16-25 age group. And so there is a strange kind of personal anguish when I admit that I could describe many of my own friends amongst these groups as douchebag drinkers. There's only so much "OMG had a wikked tyme lst night got compltly fucked, OhMyGaaaawwd I cant w8 to do it all again evry nite" I can take... Can't exactly mute 75% of my FB friends just to cleanse myself of it either...someonehairy-ish said:In that case, I was just going on personal experience, in which people who do drink that amount are generally taken care of by the friends they're with. Maybe we're all just good friends in my group though eh? I do see your point though, now that you've mentioned it ^ ^.
You'd also be surprised at how good teenagers are at dealing with friends who've wrecked emselves. They wake up alive and as healthy as the can be after having pickled their livers; probably at home or at a friends house and with only a slight possibility o having dicks drawn on their face in marker pens.
I know how you feel about the facebook statuses. Perhaps it is a slight blessing in disguise that because me and my friends arent yet allowed to drink, I don't get very many of em...Raven said:snip as wellsomeonehairy-ish said:bla bla