British Police Create Game For Anti-Rape Campaign

Oilerfan92

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This IS a better way to promote a cause than that stupid Facebook profile pic to stop child abuse crap. That didn't even make sense.

On a related note, I am inviting everyone to my Cabbage Toss Against Unfair Traffic Tickets.

OT: I'm sure this is a decent way of raising awareness. And it's atleast relevant in it's location (Facebook). But until the mentality of people is changed it's an uphill battle.
 

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Raven said:
It is demonised by rational and peace loving adults and the occasional wise youth. I live in the Thames Valley and I can assure you it seems that 85% of young people aged 13-30 see binge drinking as a perfectly normal and acceptable past-time which is the root of the problem. It is not even remotely considered taboo by any of these people... I sometimes wish our society would try and hold itself responsible. Dubai have got it right if you ask me...
Well i suppose Dubai has to get one thing right, they sure as fuck have a lot of things wrong.

Here all those things are done to show "The Man"(or whatever authority figure they are trying to prove doesn't run their lives) it goes beyond people.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
manythings said:
Do you have evidence to prove it won't work?
Circumstantial, but yes.

There are three main reasons for committing bodily crime against others:

1) Passion
2) Revenge
3) Sociopathy

Empassioned individuals act against their nature, so the campaign won't work.
Revenge driven individuals accept the consequences of their actions already, so that won't work.
Sociopathic criminals don't care even if they are caught.

If you are in a situation that rape could occur, there is no mandate higher than your own conscience to prevent you from doing it, so any mandate that tries is doomed to failure.

The one (and there is only one) way you can prevent such crimes happening is to inform the potential victim of ways to defend themselves. No action against the offender will work for the three reasons listed above.

(Obviously that applies to all four potential gender attacks)

The problem being is that either party can decide to act as the victim at a later date - which is where the problems of the moment come from. And that's what the "game" promotes - the ability to change your mind on whether it was consensual, and that's why it's dangerous.

Especially to those who have been legitimately attacked, because it weakens their defence in court.
I dunno. I can see one breach in that there are genuine circumstances where the rapist genuinely doesn't realise they would be at fault in the situation. As flimsy and bullshit as it sounds a bad household (and all the rest of the lawyer phrases) can provably lead to it not being in the wrong list of that persons mind.

On a partially related note in sweden (or norway I'll have to check) there is a programme where the victims of violent crimes to talk to their attackers in prison as a sort of rehabilitation/therapy. For sociopaths (to reply to what you said a sociopath does care if they are caught because freedom is better than prison... mostly, I guess that would depend to) and the like this is kind of entertainment for them but for some offenders finding out that it was a "real person" who they had harmed change and try to be decent people.

I'm not saying anything is universal but some of those guys (or girls, here there are places where women drugging and raping men is 2-3 times higher than the reverse) might just realise that the girl (or guy) is a person who will be damaged by their actions.
 

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Oh bloody hell, not in front of people I know... Come on, you are making us Brits look like idiots. Just another reason why I dont like the police.
 

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I think this is going to be a classic in the making, namely due to the fact that it's inevitably going to be unintentionally hilarious, and totally detached from reality as only public service productions can be. I'd imagine it will be openly mocked for years to come like some of the "drug awareness campaigns" from like the 1960s that included simulated acid trips and such. :p

I think what they are setting up is pretty straightforward. The idea is probably to create a game similar to a dating simulator where the player has to make the right desicians on what would be considered okay, and what wouldn't be okay, with the answers of course determined by a politically correct committee and situations that would make just about anyone to "WTF".

The big problem with addressing this subject matter in video games, is that the subject matter is something that society itself is having trouble dealing with for a lot of reasons, including politics. There is a general consensus out there among a lot of people that the current laws favor women far too heavily. Of course changing laws, is going to invoke a lot of anger from feminist politicians and of course the political correctness movement. A lot of time and effort has been put into projecting the image that women are almost always the victims in cases like this (this includes things like TV dramas). This has created situations where a woman can do things like claim she was raped retroactively if she decides sleeping with a guy was a mistake, or has a signifigant other who finds out about it, or even just for the heck of it if she wants to mess with someone.

This has lead to discussions about things like the "closed door doctrine" which has been around since the 1980s but has never seen passage into law for a lot of reasons. This doctrine being the idea that if a woman, or someone who is sexually compadible (to be more PC than I usually am), meets someone in a private "sealed" enviroment socially, that removes a lot of the rights that can be used to claim rape without some other kind of evidence being involved. Such evidence could be things like recordings, or it could be signs of serious physical injury to the sex organs or whatever from forced penetration. The idea being to make it difficult for cases where someone simply claims "well, he didn't slap me around, but he came on so strong I felt like I couldn't say no and be safe..." after the fact. There are a lot of problems with this kind of law, but the bottom line is that there is a lot of bias in favor of the supposed victim and their claims in how the system operates, due to a lack of standards, and a reliance almost entirely on testimony when you get down to it.

Don't misunderstand the point I'm making here, I'm not supporting any specific change, as that's beyond the scope of this discussion. I'm just saying that it's a big issue.

By definition if you wanted to work "within the law" dating would require someone to act like a sexually repressed meterosexual as even making a come on line in a bar or pushing a bit to see if someone is playing "hard to get" (which happens) can be considered "sexual harassment". On top of this there are actual issues with buying girls drinks, because if she gets drunk, and you get lucky, she can claim your a rapist for taking advantage of their condition after the fact. As a result I'd imagine such a game would probably include "lessons" like oh say, don't buy the pretty girl at the bar a drink, because if you do, she heads back to your place or her place, and she regrets it in the morning, it's possible (albiet rare) that you might face criminal charges.

Like any area of law there are cases where it works and where it doesn't. The point being that I'd imagine such a game is going to demonstrate how out of touch things are, than anything. Encouraging behaviors entirely out of context to how people of either gender actually behave in enviroments like bars and nightclubs, etc...

Such are my thoughts even if I expect a lot of people will disagree. In short, I'll be very surprised if anything of quality comes out of this.
 

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What the hell about all the guys out there who get raped by horny women? I am offended , sirs/madams. (I'm not really offended.)
 

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Therumancer said:
I know I can't really make this claim, this being the second page and all, but "Damn you ninja!"

I really don't like how in the civilized countries of the world, laws are so skewed to the female gender's favor. Its equally bullshitty that the only places in the world with a different system in place are the Sharia law countries (read: Middle-East).
 

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LightPurpleLighter said:
LightspeedJack said:
What kind of society do we live in where we have to remind people not to rape?
The kind of society where most men don't realize that a woman saying no means no.
Curious how we assume rape is always the male's intention, and the woman can never take advantage of a drunk/immobilized/stupored man in the same situation.

Not to say your point doesn't have merit in today's society, but men also being falsely accused of "rape" on a daily basis for whatever convoluted reasons happens a little too often as well.
 

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manythings said:
I think you ahve to look at it as more of a Rewards vs Cost kinda deal. I mean, if it changes the opinion of one person who was going to rape someone, or made one person think twice about a situation and save them from rape, then yeah you could call it a success.

BUt thats money you could put into beefing up the Police department (or whatever you call them in Britain. I feel it would be offensive to call them Bobbies in case that term is out of date), making the streets safer, or providing a paid neighborhood watch (I know my neighborhood watch gets state funding at least, someting like 1200 annual) to keep streets safer.

Then again, maybe this will work. I guess you'd just have to compare it to other social works like it and judge on basis of success.
 

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Didnt they do this before remember the whole rapelay scandal.

Anyways the idea that its allways the mans fault is something that i feel to be unfair, speeking from a personal friend of mine who was acused of rape(he was innocent) the girl in question had a history of crying wolf on men but it still damaged his reputation so mutch he had to move town.
 

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ShadowsofHope said:
LightPurpleLighter said:
LightspeedJack said:
What kind of society do we live in where we have to remind people not to rape?
The kind of society where most men don't realize that a woman saying no means no.
Curious how we assume rape is always the male's intention, and the woman can never take advantage of a drunk/immobilized/stupored man in the same situation.

Not to say your point doesn't have merit in today's society, but men also being falsely accused of "rape" on a daily basis for whatever convoluted reasons happens a little too often as well.
I was thinking of that study that got released recently about UK men who don't think no means no when I made the comment, so there was no sexist intent, but you're right. It did sound sexist.
 

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While I can see merit and worth in reminding people what exactly rape is I can also see why some people feel this is a waste of time (just like every campaign related game PeTA has ever made, although those had the good fortune of being hilariously bad and making their point seem even less valid).

In my opinion, rape occurs for a very few specific reasons, most common being the result of a sex drive gone rampant (which is probably the result of someone's sexuality never maturing beyond the age of twelve, something that is probably accountble to bad parenting and the person in question generally being a prick), in short, this is where educating people better about sex and not overblowing it into some secret, forbidden act of uber awesomeness comes in (something that a saddeningly large number of us can't seem to avoid doing).
 

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Danny Ocean said:
Actual said:
Danny Ocean said:
Consent is when a person agrees to have sex and has the freedom and ability to make that decision. Knowing someone, being drunk or on drugs or having been intimate with them before is not an excuse or consent."
The bold part makes it really, really easy to rape anyone. Even a guy.
So if my girlfriend gets drunk, comes onto me and I have sex with her, I've just raped her?

huuh...interesting definition.
Apparently so. If she is so drunk she can't walk straight, it'd probably be rape.

I wouldn't question the validity. It's from the police site.
It's so annoying issuing a field sobriety test or getting them to blow into a breathalyser, it really kills the mood...
 

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Previous national and local campaigns have focussed on women and the risk they put themselves under through alcohol consumption. The emphasis has been on them taking steps to protect themselves. Rather than place the onus on women, we've taken the unique approach of focusing on young men. We want potential offenders to consider their actions, while also raising awareness of acquaintance rape so that women can keep themselves safe.
Thanks British police. Guys totally don't get raped. Not possible, not like I know men that do.

This is going to fail anyway. Every game they make is a joke, this will likely be no different. We used to get told to play these games in school, we all thought it was hilarious. With this subject matter, I suppose everyone will be laughing even harder.
 

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This looked o be aimed at the area of rape thats most difficult to regulate for. Safe conviction rates never going to be good here, for various reasons, including that most appear to come down to one persons word against anothers. The best way to lower here is education, mainly of those who may not know that theres conditions on consent, and a persons legal ability to give it. People intending to rape will not be affected by this, and arent the targets, this is to inform those who dont know that they may be letting themselves open to rape charges even if they believe they have consent.
 

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Good god I hate that campaign -.- Raising awareness is one thing, practically explicit depiction of rape during pre-'watershed' hours at Christmas on the other hand? That's just plain sick, and this is obviously the next step, even if it is about something other than taxis.

At least I Think those disgusting adverts were on before 22:00 .. but even if not it's hardly any better. It's bad at the best of times, but at Christmas? Setting aside the fact nobody should have to see that sort of thing, it's a time when most children are allowed up past their bedtimes normally and all.

I think whoever's (ir)responsible for those adverts is in need of some serious consequences, and I bet they had a hand in this and all -.-
 
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manythings said:
I dunno. I can see one breach in that there are genuine circumstances where the rapist genuinely doesn't realise they would be at fault in the situation. As flimsy and bullshit as it sounds a bad household (and all the rest of the lawyer phrases) can provably lead to it not being in the wrong list of that persons mind.
That's the thing though. What happens if it comes down to mere words? Is there any evidence that can prove consent or non-consent?

My 3 were justifications to the attacker on why he should do it; not whether he was guilty or not.
 

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I just don't see a rapist saying something along the lines of, "If I would've played this game, I never would've done that." "Here I thought her screaming NO and punching me was her little way of saying I want you sooo bad."

Kinda like someone thinking bullets don't hurt till they played COD.