British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"

Racecarlock

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My fellow escapists. WE WON. THE FIGHT IS OVER. SUPREME COURT VICTORY. We can stop attacking games cause violence people now. They cannot hurt us anymore.
 

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So, asking soldier (with no real technical field) about the effects of general psychology on a human has what relevance? No surveys? No studies? No theories(constructive)?

Last time I checked, psychology was a scientific field so lets stick with that rather than the opinions of infamous/famous people.
 

Tsaba

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mad825 said:
So, asking soldier (with no real technical field) about the effects of general psychology on a human has what relevance? No surveys? No studies?

Last time I checked, psychology was a scientific field so lets stick with that rather than the opinions of infamous/famous people.
Yes let's ask a scientist instead of a soldier (SAS) on the application of violence.... I'm sure a scientist knows more about that than a soldier(SAS) does.[/sarcasm]

OT glad to hear someone who knows what's what.
 

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Tsaba said:
Yes let's ask a scientist instead of a soldier on the application of violence.... I'm sure a scientist knows more about that than a soldier does.[/sarcasm]
*ahem*
We are talking about the psychological effects of the media on people.
 

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mad825 said:
Tsaba said:
Yes let's ask a scientist instead of a soldier on the application of violence.... I'm sure a scientist knows more about that than a soldier does.[/sarcasm]
*ahem*
We are talking about the psychological effects of the media on people.
And someone who regularly applies violence would be an expert.
 

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mad825 said:
Tsaba said:
Yes let's ask a scientist instead of a soldier on the application of violence.... I'm sure a scientist knows more about that than a soldier does.[/sarcasm]
*ahem*
We are talking about the psychological effects of the media on people.
I wouldn't be so swift to discredit him. There are entire battalions of soldiers out there who specialize in exactly that field. Part of being in the special forces means knowing how much and what kind of force is appropriate for getting the right response in a given situation.
 

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Tsaba said:
mad825 said:
Tsaba said:
Yes let's ask a scientist instead of a soldier on the application of violence.... I'm sure a scientist knows more about that than a soldier does.[/sarcasm]
*ahem*
We are talking about the psychological effects of the media on people.
And someone who regularly applies violence would be an expert.
...Still means nothing. virtual Media and real-life are not the same hence the two distinct differences, if I wanted to know about how I would feel in a fight I would ask andy but if I wanted to know how would feel if I had a terminal illness...It would not be best.

He still cannot give a conclusive reason or anything worth saying on why it is "nonsense".
 

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Chuck Norris checks under his bed every night for Andy McNab

He's got some good points there. And his statements have force behind them because he was the best of the best. It's impossible for some politician who has never seen conflict to accuse games of causing violence without backing it up
 

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Guys, because of Arabic language structure and regionalism, you can spell Qaddafi many different ways. Kaddafi is acceptable, as is Qahdafi, Gaddafi, Gahdafi, etc.
 

Tsaba

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mad825 said:
...Still means nothing. virtual Media and real-life are not the same hence the two distinct differences, if I wanted to know about how I would feel in a fight I would ask andy but if I wanted to know how would feel if I had a terminal illness...It would not be best.

He still cannot give a conclusive reason or anything worth saying on why it is "nonsense".
And a scientist can?

As you said, Andy knows how to feel if he wants to hurt someone and since Andy knows that feeling, he also knows the feelings he gets from playing video games, reading books, watching television, and so on.

Sooooo, since Andy knows the difference on the effects of real violence and media violence on the brain since Andy has most likely experienced both, Andy is therefore more of an expert in that field than anyone else who would want to throw in their two cents.
 

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punkrocker27 said:
mad825 said:
Tsaba said:
Yes let's ask a scientist instead of a soldier on the application of violence.... I'm sure a scientist knows more about that than a soldier does.[/sarcasm]
*ahem*
We are talking about the psychological effects of the media on people.
I wouldn't be so swift to discredit him. There are entire battalions of soldiers out there who specialize in exactly that field. Part of being in the special forces means knowing how much and what kind of force is appropriate for getting the right response in a given situation.
True but we still have to take his word for granted which is frowned upon in any scientific field and he would have to be highly educated in psychology.

Soldiers only get taught what they are needed to be taught, nothing more.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Greg Tito said:
British Soldier: Claiming Games Cause Violence Is "Nonsense"
...unless it's a farm.

Hrrmmm...While I appreciate the words Mr. McNab, your own particular brand of media does "appear" to be revelling in violence somewhat.

It's like Tiger Woods talking out against sleeping around. We know he knows, but...
I think the way we fetishise war and the military in general should probably get a a nice, stern look.

Anyway, what he says is irrelevant because detractors can probably trot out soldiers to say the opposite.
 
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Zachary Amaranth said:
I think the way we fetishise war and the military in general should probably get a a nice, stern look.
How else would we get young men to throw their lives away helping to overthrow radical dictators?
 

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Tsaba said:
And a scientist can?
Usually, a scientist would let their work speak for them...As in case studies.
As you said, Andy knows how to feel if he wants to hurt someone and since Andy knows that feeling, he also knows the feelings he gets from playing video games, reading books, watching television, and so on.
Sooooo, since Andy knows the difference on the effects of real violence and media violence on the brain since Andy has most likely experienced both, Andy is therefore more of an expert in that field than anyone else who would want to throw in their two cents.
I know people who do get violent when playing computer games, what's you point? It still doesn't answer anything and leaves more questions than it can answer.

The only difference here is that this person is famous and respected by people, People are more likely to conform with those they respect.
 

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Woodsey said:
"With the defeat of Kaddafi"

Uh... Gaddafi, you mean?

OT: Well, duh. Always nice to have someone say it though.
Transliteration, buddy. He's, in fact, known with a "k", hard "c", or with a "q" like in the French "que" sound.

OT: Hypocrisy, much? His opinion is just as invalid as that of Fox News, although his has no no malice. He's not a researcher, and his personal experience is not the reality of others. Games may or may not cause violence, only a study which is decades long can accurately make a claim for either side.
 

Something Amyss

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
How else would we get young men to throw their lives away helping to overthrow radical dictators?
You mean "The people we were okay with until last year?"

Can't think of a better way.

Of course, I've always been a big fan of not pissing away human lives the way our politicians seem to love to, so I probably wouldn't be the one they put in charge of recruiting people for conflicts over fickle and arbitrary notions of allies and enemies.
 

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mad825 said:
The only difference here is that this person is famous and respected by people, People are more likely to conform with those they respect.
Which kinda scares me, since that means some people respect Jenna McCarthy if they're willing to conform with her bullshit autism claims.
 

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mad825 said:
I know people who do get violent when playing computer games, what's you point? It still doesn't answer anything and leaves more questions than it can answer.

The only difference here is that this person is famous and respected by people, People are more likely to conform with those they respect.
And I'm sure we've both know people who have got violent when they lose a sports competition, fail a test, fail in general. Because, that's the key word there, failed, no one likes losing.

He's famous, so what, it just makes it that much easier for him to be heard, when in fact, he's just restating what people have been saying it for a long time now.