Barring pulling that number from thin air, let's examine your statement. "Halo has more story." Perhaps, but what about the delivery? What about the depth? What about the quality? (Nylund has done a lot to help that last one, but it's still a valid question) Just because there's a lot of stuff to wade through doesn't mean it's inherently better than something with less. Halo could have all the lore of LotR, and it still wouldn't be good if it wasn't delivered well (which it wasn't, by the way). Now, I'm interested in the overall Halo story, but I'll stick to the books, whose story quality far surpass the games (except for The Flood, ugh).
Norks said:
The Great JT said:
What story? Halo's "story" is "here is a generic space marine shooting aliens." That's it.
You realize that he was the original "Space Marine" right? before Halo, there were very few big titles involving "Space Marines" the only reason there are so many now is because people saw a good idea in "Halo" and decided to try to emulate it.
I'm going to ignore the trolls now, and say what i think. Hoooo-leeee-shit.
Really, WTF? Halo's backstory may be nicely thought-out, but it's not supposed to be a literature masterpiece! Couldn't they just retcon it or something to allow for new gameplay ideas? It is, in the end, a game, and average story is not supposed to stand in the way of good gameplay!
Yall can stop being trolls now.
Not enough? http://halostory.bungie.org/marathon.html
If you can say that the halo franchaise has no story, its like saying that you ordered a sundae and you complain about it lacking nuts when the waiter just offered you some.
Yes, and you know whats the worst? The story of Halo is a shameful ripoff of Larry Niven's Ringworld series. Yea, shitty, boring, half-assed and stolen.
But at least they are honest about it now, "we can't write a story, because it's just gets in the way of our rampaging game-boners". Shame.
Oh? I didnt know the "ring world" was a story about a group of Aliens trying to wipe out humanity from existence while in the meantime discovering a constructed ring world that wiped out all intelligent life in the universe due to a parasitic "smart" space zombie that nearly consumed every life in the galaxy.
I mean wow...Halo is a complete rip off of Ring world...
Oh wait...you obviously dont know the difference between INSPIRATION and RIP OFF.
/facepalm
Btw heres some links to help you better understand my post.
You feel real clever now, huh? "Wikipedia articles, IN YOUR FACE!" Sure, it's not just Ringworld, the creators took cues from many other sci-fi novels, true. But that won't make the story any more original, mind you. It's just a shambling zombie sown together from the works of great authors. Inspiration is one thing, and taking slices square out of other people's work, piecing it together and selling it as original is another. That's what rappers do. And we are talking about the game's story, not the Halo books. I didn't read those. I refuse to believe, that one needs to read entire books just to understand the story, that supposed to be in the game. No.
Oh, and you really need to look up the differences between inspiration, influence and ripoff.
Yall can stop being trolls now.
Not enough? http://halostory.bungie.org/marathon.html
If you can say that the halo franchaise has no story, its like saying that you ordered a sundae and you complain about it lacking nuts when the waiter just offered you some.
Yes, and you know whats the worst? The story of Halo is a shameful ripoff of Larry Niven's Ringworld series. Yea, shitty, boring, half-assed and stolen.
But at least they are honest about it now, "we can't write a story, because it's just gets in the way of our rampaging game-boners". Shame.
Oh? I didnt know the "ring world" was a story about a group of Aliens trying to wipe out humanity from existence while in the meantime discovering a constructed ring world that wiped out all intelligent life in the universe due to a parasitic "smart" space zombie that nearly consumed every life in the galaxy.
I mean wow...Halo is a complete rip off of Ring world...
Oh wait...you obviously dont know the difference between INSPIRATION and RIP OFF.
/facepalm
Btw heres some links to help you better understand my post.
You feel real clever now, huh? "Wikipedia articles, IN YOUR FACE!" Sure, it's not just Ringworld, the creators took cues from many other sci-fi novels, true. But that won't make the story any more original, mind you. It's just a shambling zombie sown together from the works of great authors. Inspiration is one thing, and taking slices square out of other people's work, piecing it together and selling it as original is another. That's what rappers do. And we are talking about the game's story, not the Halo books. I didn't read those. I refuse to believe, that one needs to read entire books just to understand the story, that supposed to be in the game. No.
Oh, and you really need to look up the differences between inspiration, influence and ripoff.
I feel as clever as the velociraptor as it flanked The would be hunter in Jurassic park.
I wasnt defending how "original" Halo as much as I was pointing out wrong you were at saying Halo was "ripping off" Ring World.
And no you dont "have to" read the Halo books to understand the story of the games. The books if anything supplement the story of the war which takes place in the games. Its a added experience not a requirement.
Like it or not, Halo is a unique story and doesn't rip off anything.
I'm genuinely shocked. I never played Halo 2, but Halo 3's narrative was an incoherent, incomprehensible mess. I just figured that the design of the story went something along the lines of "Something, anything, to stick to this money-printing, guaranteed-popular mulitplayer game." The idea that they cut out what they thought were interesting ideas for the sake of the story is just...wow.
I actually thouroughly enjoyed the first Halo game (though the PC port was TERRIBLE from a code efficiency standpoint). My opinion of Halo 2 is summed up thusly, "Very very very bad pacing" with a sprinkling of "Why can't I follow the story of characters I actually care about" and a healty dosing of "We did it in the first game so we have to shoe-horn it into this one whether it makes sense or not".
...I didn't enjoy it to the magnitude of never playing the third game (not owning a 360 of course didn't help).
I've always thought that the Halo story was pretty good (I mean, there's a lot worse out there, and I'm none to picky about my entertainment), and the problem was more in that it wasn't all that well conveyed to the player for one reason or another. Certainly for example in Halo 3, the optional terminal stuff I find interesting, but it's completely optional, and unless you're acheivement hunting you're probly gonna miss it, to be honest.
I certainly doesn't help in debating the game that after it came out you suddenly had hordes of people gibbering that it was BEST THING EVAR, which in turn prompted equally large (if generally more literate) horde that would never believe any positive thing about the game.
Also, I personally really liked ODST's campaign. The Reach beta better be great to be worth £40, but I'd rather have spent £40 on a game that I enjoyed but it wasn't long enough than on a game 3 times as long that I hated.
The Fall of Reach actually came out around a week before the first game (at least in the US), and aside from the little morsels of story in each of the games outside of cutscenes (which doesn't include the terminals because they're veritable meals of story), and in the manuals and other materials sold with the games, there are: seven books (not including the Halo Encyclopedia) out, three short comics, and the anime in Halo Legends (although one isn't canon), with another three (possibly four) books coming and another short comic. It isn't the most original story, and can be described as a little ripping off Iain M. Banks's Culture series, significantly less ripping off the Ringworld series, and significantly more ripping of the Alien series and Aliens (the second movie) in particular, with some good old-fashioned war stuff that's been repeated since at least the Iliad and a little zombie stuff and a little more Borg stuff filling in the gaps, but there are original things in it, and the way it all comes together is exceptional.
also I (do not in the least) promise that's my last dissertation on anything Halo for at least a month
--This serie of games has such a deep storyline that it should be even deeper that "call of duty modern warfare 2" in fact hollywood should make both the MW2 and Halo movie! because it would sell -that would actually work- --end of sarcasm.
If you don't like reading books, just say so. We won't hold it against you... much. You know, you act like alot of the people I meet who also basically say "Hur dur derp! I no wanna read bookz!!!!!!"
Excuse me? Either you didn't read my post or I didn't get the message across clear enough. My problem isn't the book itself. It's the fact that after saying I don't care for a story universe, I'm told to go read more from it. No, how about the original material get's me interested in the universe enough to where I want to read more about it. I'm not going to subject myself to four books in a universe I already know I don't care for.
I read through some of your posts and noticed that you range from slightly biased towards the 360 to a flat out 360 fanboy, so to avoid any future flames I should state: I do believe that there are a lot worse stories you could go with in the games industry than halo(For example: The most recent "Turok" game. *shudder*). I honestly think it's better than about 50% of the shit that comes out story wise. I also enjoy the multiplayer more these days. Its story universe is just not my cup of tea. When I tell someone this after they ask my opinion on the story, I don't want them to instantly respond with "YOU SHOULD GO READ THIS BOOK ABOUT THE UNIVERSE REVOLVING AROUND THE STORY YOU ALREADY DON'T LIKE!!", because that is moronic. There would have to be an extreme kind of justification to get me to do that.
P.s. since you seem to be a book kind of guy, I thought we could share what we are reading now. I just finished up House of Leaves. Great book, what about you?
(Side note: I can't believe this got necro'd instead of turned into another thread. Someones been reading the forum guidelines!)
The story of Halo goes something like....Aliens kill humans to get artifacts of their gods. Find out that humans are the decendents of there gods. Civil war starts during war with humans. Master Chief gets lost on some metalic lookin planet thing. The end.
Yeah, you guys are <a href=http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll280/chocolatexo/DERP.jpg>REAL funny.
It would have been so hard to make a 4th instalment. I'm glad that Halo 3 ended the way it did and I love the way ODST turned out. I can't wait till all my bills come so I can pay them have some money to myself and invest a good weekend into buying, playing and loving Reach.
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