Burton's Busts
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If by that you mean, "burton's, and subsequently Schumacher's Batman movies felt like Batman in the same sense that the 1960's Adam west batman felt like batman" and nolan's "feels like something far more real, and more akin to the comics of the modern era", then sure.Casual Shinji said:
I wholly agree with this assessment. It was, in fact, the realization that Schumacher's Batman & Robin was essentially a 90's era revisit of the 60's tv show that made me realize what exactly had gone on with the series.unwesen said:
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I think Burton is done. Not done making movies, they sell too well for that. But he's done making good movies. I was angry the second I heard he was making an Alice film, and even more angry when I heard Depp was in it. I love Depp, but he needs to cut the cord before Burton drags him down with him. Another of Depp's friends is attempting to make an Alice film, and he sure could have used Depp's star power to help the project.
"Planet of the Apes" was a Time Burton movie? The hell? I don't even recall hearing Burton's name being mentioned during the marketing for that movie, which in hindsight I suppose is somewhat telling.
Wow, both Batman movies (which were great, but then, I'm a Michael Keaton fan) were mentioned, but Big Fish was considered a masterpiece? I scratch my head every time I hear that movie mentioned in hushed, reverent tones by film critics. To me, that one should be on the list with Apes and Charlie. It was dull, plodding Oscar bait and little more.
Holy shit, I did forget about Planet of the Apes... and it was baaaaaad.
Though I think Burton's style is still too much chained to the early 90's, where it was a novel change from the neon-colored 80's and really be latched on by the proto-goths and lesser by the emos (which was called 'grunge' at the time). I think the kiddies today want their own burton movie like the late 20 somethings had. Or somthing. I could care less since I never was mall-goth the style's become somewhat annoying now that it's Burton's 'signature' that HAS to be in every movie regardless of what it is because he's making it.
Though I think Burton's style is still too much chained to the early 90's, where it was a novel change from the neon-colored 80's and really be latched on by the proto-goths and lesser by the emos (which was called 'grunge' at the time). I think the kiddies today want their own burton movie like the late 20 somethings had. Or somthing. I could care less since I never was mall-goth the style's become somewhat annoying now that it's Burton's 'signature' that HAS to be in every movie regardless of what it is because he's making it.
I also didn't know that Burton made Plante of the Apes. Anyway, I hate Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I hate for all the reasons that Bod mentioned, but I also hate it because it didn't have the Half Room. I love the fucking Half Room! While I do like The Nightmare Before Christmas and Batman, I usually don't care for most of Burton's films. Also, is he trying to ruin Johnny Depp's career? I know that isn't possible after Depp's beyond magnificent performance as Jack Sparrow, but Burton appears to be trying his hardest to do so; at least with Charlie and Alice.
Burton has famously gone on the record to state that he did absolutely no research on the character of Batman prior to making those films, and has never read a single Batman comic. So he wasn't trying to adapt squat from them. It's not faithful to the source material because he never READ that material.Matt_LRR said:
Tim Burton is like Tim Schafer. (Tim and Tim again?)
When they're good, they're very, very good, but when they're bad, they're horrid.
When they're good, they're very, very good, but when they're bad, they're horrid.
I don't think "doesn't age well" is a really valid in determining if a movie was good or not. Lots of movies that were good for their times don't age well, that is just the nature of things.
I thought Michael Keaton did a good job as a more mature batman, who is was comfortable with both his Burce Wayne and Batman personas. Where as Christian Bale is playing a younger Wayne who is trying a little too hard but is also more intense.
Batman Returns was meh all around. It was visually more Tim Burton but at the expense of story coherence. The whole "catwoman got her powers by falling off a building" was really dumb.
I thought Michael Keaton did a good job as a more mature batman, who is was comfortable with both his Burce Wayne and Batman personas. Where as Christian Bale is playing a younger Wayne who is trying a little too hard but is also more intense.
Batman Returns was meh all around. It was visually more Tim Burton but at the expense of story coherence. The whole "catwoman got her powers by falling off a building" was really dumb.
I partially agree with these, though I did enjoy the Batman films, they were a bit silly but very imaginative. I think most of those movies are simply there for the spectacle and to entertain, not every film needs to have a deep narrative and complex structure and/or plot.
I personally like Burtons films because you can just escape into a weird world for an hour and just relax, much like Hayao Miyazaki's works, they are mad concepts sometimes, but very entertaining none-the-less
I personally like Burtons films because you can just escape into a weird world for an hour and just relax, much like Hayao Miyazaki's works, they are mad concepts sometimes, but very entertaining none-the-less
Be that as it may, and unwitting as it may have been - he ended up creating a film that incorporated elements of both the comics of the time and the Adam West series, and coupled it with exactly the right aesthetic.Gildan Bladeborn said:
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I sometimes worry that I'm the only person who DIDN'T think that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and the batman movies were great big piles of poop.
"hey man, I didn't know ok!" approach doesn't work so well when you're creating muitimillion dollar movies presenting the title that so many thousands of people know and love.
And also.....I sometimes worry that I'm the only person who DIDN'T think that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and the batman movies were great big piles of poop. It's comforting to know I'm not alone.
Planet of the Apes at least, EVERYONE knows is crap.
Good grief I can't believe you're actually defending Burton's shocking lack of respectful research into the subject he was about to internationally insult by a lack of adaption. TheGildan Bladeborn said:
"hey man, I didn't know ok!" approach doesn't work so well when you're creating muitimillion dollar movies presenting the title that so many thousands of people know and love.
And also.....I sometimes worry that I'm the only person who DIDN'T think that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and the batman movies were great big piles of poop. It's comforting to know I'm not alone.
Planet of the Apes at least, EVERYONE knows is crap.
BatmanWarachia said:
Batman Returns
Planet of the Apes
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Alice in Wonderland
Yep, that's five. Seems like Burton's worst films are adaptations. Of course, some of his better ones are also adaptations, so there we are.