Here's the problem though, we have to buy from some sort of retailer one way or another and all of the retailers that are out there have a used game market. When the developer starts selling the games directly, then I might agree with the post, but until that time...who cares. The economy world wide sucks partially due to the fact that currency circulation is down. At the same time, the job market and minimum wage suck. It's a catch-22. If I can buy a used game for 5-10 bucks cheaper than buying it new great, unless it has online pass...don't get me started. The argument of supporting the devs only holds up if the market was competetive with the devs selling directly and had to do so against a used game market. They don't.
buying used games is stupid
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Where are you buying used games for $50? I thought the whole point of buying used was that you could get it at a lower price
It sounds like your main issue is with Gamestop which is perfectly fine by me. Used game sales have been the sole reason I've been able to revive my N64, Xbox, Gamecube and, SNES collections. Used game sales are the reason I'm going to be starting a Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, etc collection too. Not with gamestop obviously but through a mix of amazon, e-bay (if I can figure the bastard out) and, independent retailers.
I see what you're saying though. I've been waiting for Duke Nukem Forever to hit $20 or less and Amazon currently has it for $18 whereas most physical stores won't have it for less than $25 or $30.
Of course when I buy used games from yesteryear, the companies who made those games don't get any money but I'm supporting a local business so there's that.
I see what you're saying though. I've been waiting for Duke Nukem Forever to hit $20 or less and Amazon currently has it for $18 whereas most physical stores won't have it for less than $25 or $30.
Of course when I buy used games from yesteryear, the companies who made those games don't get any money but I'm supporting a local business so there's that.
I usually wait until they have a "Buy 2 Used Game, Get 1 Used Game Free" offer and by that time, the games are usually half off. Also, I don't have a lot of time to play games, so unless it is a title that I am really excited for, I'll buy it on release day. If I buy it later, I would buy it new, because I'd rather get a brand new title for a couple bucks more.
From the dev's standpoint, buying used games is only slightly better than piracy. No arguing about it.
Why slightly? Because chances are pretty good that the money gotten from selling a used game will be going towards buying a new game. However, it's not a guarantee, and it's even less of a chance that the money from selling the square game will go into another square game.
So if You're buying used, You're basically pirating it. The fact that one thing is legal and the other is not does not matter much; it's about whether it's legit or not. The fact that You "support Your retailer" doesn't matter much; You could just as easily argue someone who buys pirated games (as those used to be sold in the olden days...) supports his local pirates. After all, they have to eat, too. No merit in that one. Edit: Again, from the developer's standpoint.
If You buy used because You can't afford new, You really might as well download it. In the end, it's probably BETTER for the industry if You download 3 games and buy one new for $60 instead of buying 4 used for $15 each.
Live with it, or stop doing it.
~Sylv
Why slightly? Because chances are pretty good that the money gotten from selling a used game will be going towards buying a new game. However, it's not a guarantee, and it's even less of a chance that the money from selling the square game will go into another square game.
So if You're buying used, You're basically pirating it. The fact that one thing is legal and the other is not does not matter much; it's about whether it's legit or not. The fact that You "support Your retailer" doesn't matter much; You could just as easily argue someone who buys pirated games (as those used to be sold in the olden days...) supports his local pirates. After all, they have to eat, too. No merit in that one. Edit: Again, from the developer's standpoint.
If You buy used because You can't afford new, You really might as well download it. In the end, it's probably BETTER for the industry if You download 3 games and buy one new for $60 instead of buying 4 used for $15 each.
Live with it, or stop doing it.
~Sylv
Thing is. I bought Deus Ex for a quid from my local game shop and I haven't looked back. I will admit that trading in games that you like is a bad idea, so I never do it, but trading in useless games is much better, cos you get money to buy better ones. Also, where else am I going to get a decent copy of Phantasy Star Online Ep 3 CARD Revolution for cheap? Used of course.
This just in: Libraries just as bad as piracy for the book industry.Sylvine said:
Really, get off your high horse on this one. Ever heard of the "First Sale Doctrine". It's consumer rights to pass along a legally acquired item. That's right: this sort of thing is protected under legal and moral guidelines to protect consumers from big companies. If consumer rights are bad for the industry, then so be it.
Not sure if troll... or just dumb.
Used games are never sold at the original price. The simple logic being that if they are both relatively the same price, most customers will buy the new one rather then bothering with the used one. The strongest argument for used is when the price of a 50 game gets knocked down to about 10 bucks. That's a good deal. As for developers... Yeah they got paid when the store that originally sold the game order the game... so...
Used games are never sold at the original price. The simple logic being that if they are both relatively the same price, most customers will buy the new one rather then bothering with the used one. The strongest argument for used is when the price of a 50 game gets knocked down to about 10 bucks. That's a good deal. As for developers... Yeah they got paid when the store that originally sold the game order the game... so...
I hate buying used games, esp. now in the age of saved games and what not. There's just something, I don't know I can't quite put my finger on it, but something about buying a game new. It's like buying games used makes them somewhat less mine.
And then there's the issue of saved games. On most CD based games this isn't an issue, but I just started playing Phantasy Star Zero the other day and my copy is a used copy, I didn't buy it I got it for Christmas from my sister, but I assume the used copy was the only copy the store had or seeing how it was obviously GameStop/EB Games, that's probably what they told her.
Anyway, natuarally being used it had some saved games already on it, being for the DS and all, so I went ahead and deleted them and started up my own. Then later on I went to a place in-game for character records and it gave me a bunch in in-game achievements and shit that I couldn't have possibly achieved yet. Presumably it was taking into account stuff from the game's previous owner. I figured this stuff would be per character or at least per DS profile, but apparently not. What really irritates me is that there is no way to reset this. There is no way to erase the progress of the previous owner and track strictly my own.
And then there's the issue of saved games. On most CD based games this isn't an issue, but I just started playing Phantasy Star Zero the other day and my copy is a used copy, I didn't buy it I got it for Christmas from my sister, but I assume the used copy was the only copy the store had or seeing how it was obviously GameStop/EB Games, that's probably what they told her.
Anyway, natuarally being used it had some saved games already on it, being for the DS and all, so I went ahead and deleted them and started up my own. Then later on I went to a place in-game for character records and it gave me a bunch in in-game achievements and shit that I couldn't have possibly achieved yet. Presumably it was taking into account stuff from the game's previous owner. I figured this stuff would be per character or at least per DS profile, but apparently not. What really irritates me is that there is no way to reset this. There is no way to erase the progress of the previous owner and track strictly my own.
HEY! Yahtzee and I shop in that department every now and then XDCM156 said:
Nah sorry, couldn't help but remember that review when you said that.
Either way that's what I'm guessing. Nothing wrong buying used. Especially that's the only way you can ever find a good Copy of Devil May Cry 1 and 3
I remember getting 3 as I grabbed that beautiful gemstone surrounded by the numerous unwanted copies of Devil May Cry 2.
I literally found a Diamond in the rough
That assumes there is a problem in the first place. Which, as I pointed out, there isn't. Legally or ethically.stefman said:
Can you see us from that pedestal? You seem to be pretty high. The used game industry is a basic consumer right, piracy is theft.Sylvine said:
Not to be an ass, but the same can be said for a used car dealership. Just because I didn't buy a new Volvo from them, but instead bought a used one from a dealership that mostly speaks spanish doesn't necessarily make me a bad person because I don't have the moolah to pay for one fresh out the company's bumholestefman said:
Same goes with games. I JUST DON'T HAVE THE PRIVILEGE to buy every game I want in a new condition. It's not a crime, it's being fiscally responsible when I want a few hours of electronic entertainment.
Don't get me wrong I don't buy EVERY game used, because God forbid I actually make a sub-microscopic dent in the wallet of a developer. There are just some games that I don't see worth the full $60 or just some games I can't get any other way....especially GOOD PS2 games. Hell I'm proud of myself I didn't buy MW2 when it first came out, because disappointment hit harder than Yahtzee's words to a piece of paper.
What I'm trying to say is that not everyone has to buy the game New and shouldn't be chastised because they're not supporting the developers EVERYTIME, ALL THE TIME.
Also this makes a lot of good points, and saves me time from talking/thinking too hard.
http://www.myspace.com/video/ne/zero-originality-episode-1-it-39-s-not-stealing-it-39-s-borrowing/42723261
So in short fuck gamestop.
http://www.myspace.com/video/ne/zero-originality-episode-1-it-39-s-not-stealing-it-39-s-borrowing/42723261
So in short fuck gamestop.
T-T we had a shop like that in my town, i miss it T-T.Amnestic said:
to the OP: i have a collection, of PS2 games, cause those are still good, and I'd sooner sacrifice my PS3 to the Chaos Gods then give up on my PS2 and those titles.
the problem as i see it is, they're focusing to much on making quick cash grab titles, and less on what i would call quality games, there for nothing worth really keeping after a play through.
but what do i know, I've only been gaming for 25 years