camping, am i the only one that has a real problem with campers?

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Eclectic Dreck

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BonsaiK said:
"Camping" is a widely misunderstood term, that's often misused, because not many people understand its origins, or what the word really means.

The term "camping" originates from the days of Doom, Quake and Unreal, where bonuses like quad damage or good weapons would respawn in a set location after a certain time period. A "camper" was someone who would sit in one location waiting for the respawn of the most powerful or useful item so they could them dominate the field, then return to that space and wait for however long that item took to respawn after the pickup (usually a few minutes or so), and pick up the respawn again and again...

"Camping" doesn't really apply to a more modern FPS where there are no respawnable items, such as, for instance Counter-Strike or Call Of Duty. Hiding somewhere and waiting for an enemy to walk by, then shooting him in the back after he fails to check your hidey hole, is that camping? NO. That is an AMBUSH, a perfectly normal and acceptable tactic in FPS play. Hiding by a capture point like a flag and killing people who try to approach in a capture the flag game or in a game like Battlefield, is that camping? NO. That is DEFENDING THE FLAG. Also very, very different from camping, and a completely acceptable and in fact necessary strategy for winning the game, which is encouraged by the game mechanics and rightly so. A battlefield needs attackers and defenders, just like a soccer pitch does. Accusing a flag defender of camping the flag is like accusing a goalie in a soccer game of "camping the goal". What about sitting somewhere high and hiding, waiting to shoot players at long range? Is that camping? NO. That would be SNIPING. Most modern FPS games encourage the use of this practice and even give you sniper weapons to make it easier.

In short, camping is only camping in the true sense of the word if it's giving a player a massive unfair advantage like the collection of a powerful item (in Battlefield 2, people tend to camp the runways for instance, because planes are ludicrously overpowered in that game so people grab planes every time they respawn). Anything else is not really camping, it's just defensive or stealthy FPS tactics, perfectly acceptable, very commmon and in fact a very smart way to play a lot of modern FPS games.

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One note to add here, is the concept of risk/reward. In later FPS games (I.E. after quake 1) when the basic mechancis were better known, you'll note a trend that places the best and most powerful items in a position of great risk. DM17 from Quake 3 demonstrates this extremely well. You have on the map, a +100 health sphere, a suit of red armor, a suit of yellow armor and some shards, a railgun, two rocket launchers, two shotguns, a quad damage and some +25 health spheres.

Both the rocket launcher and shotgun are readily accessable from any of the spawn points and the weapons respawn quickly, ensuring that in smaller games you are always well armed quickly. Because of the wide expanse the game offers, the railgun is often fantastically useful but it can only be retrieved by use of a jump pad. If a player is shot in the back or finds a rocket at the landing they generally are knocked off the map to their death. Returning to the field is just as dangerous. The mega health has the same problem - It's located in the center of the map where you can be fired upon from any direction from nearly any part of the map. It also requires the use of a jump pad, meaning that you'll be stuck in the air unable to significantly maneuver while you attempt to retrieve the health - if poorly timed it's common to lose more health than you gain, even against a single player and the threat only rises as more guns take to the field. The quad damage is the worst of them all as it requires the use of a double jump pad maneuver, leaving the player exposed for a long period of time, and a slight amount of damage can cause the player to miss the second jump pad entirely. The upgrade itself is placed at an angle that makes it difficult to effectively employ any weapon against the oppositon until you retake the field.

DM17 is probably the greatest example of the risk/reward idea I've seen in a game. Camping is discouraged naturally by ensuring the greatest items are associated with the largest vulnerability, and attempting to exploit powerful weapons and items often lead to disaster.
 

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Who care, this argument is about fps, campers are anoying but so are little kids on line... oh wait, the problem is these games make it easy to camp. BF: bad company is better at the camping isusse. If some huy is camping is a building blow it up, he will die and won't go back thier since his cover is gone. Halo and Cod4 are the same bull shit. They are ridculus run and gun. The COD 4 story line was at least good enough to make up for the average online.
 

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Patrick_and_the_ricks said:
Who care, this argument is about fps, campers are anoying but so are little kids on line... oh wait, the problem is these games make it easy to camp. BF: bad company is better at the camping isusse. If some huy is camping is a building blow it up, he will die and won't go back thier since his cover is gone. Halo and Cod4 are the same bull shit. They are ridculus run and gun. The COD 4 story line was at least good enough to make up for the average online.

ok so you dont like Cod4 or halo, woo.
i found BF:bad companys online thing to be slow, CoD and halo multi-player is fast, CoD being the faster, therefore i find it fun to play the matches dont go on forever and it is actually hard, as opposed to grabbing the mortar thingy and a tank and going nuts
campers really just get under every ones nails and they are too thick to see why, also this thread has allowed me to find a great many campers because they tend to defend their favorite, and only, stratagey in an FPS.
 

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I will camp, but if i die once i wont go back there. Like in BF BC, ill play a sniper when i start, but once i die the first time i will switch to something like support or assault.
 

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well, my simple point of view. aside from spawn campers, if you are skilled at all in the game and these so called "campers" are "teh noobzorz" then you should have no problem killing them no? so stop your obsessive bitching and play. lol. (by the way i am not a so called "camper" myself. though i have no problem disposing of them. unless you count sniping as camping...in which case...fuck off...) :D
 

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brainless906 said:
well, my simple point of view. aside from spawn campers, if you are skilled at all in the game and these so called "campers" are "teh noobzorz" then you should have no problem killing them no? so stop your obsessive bitching and play. lol. (by the way i am not a so called "camper" myself. though i have no problem disposing of them. unless you count sniping as camping...in which case...fuck off...) :D
again who said i was bitching?
sheesh, campers are anoying thats all i said
and i asked if anyone else had the same problem, end of story



and when the hell did i call them noobs?
i think they are easy kills and uninventive morons
 

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keyton777 said:
brainless906 said:
well, my simple point of view. aside from spawn campers, if you are skilled at all in the game and these so called "campers" are "teh noobzorz" then you should have no problem killing them no? so stop your obsessive bitching and play. lol. (by the way i am not a so called "camper" myself. though i have no problem disposing of them. unless you count sniping as camping...in which case...fuck off...) :D
again who said i was bitching?
sheesh, campers are anoying thats all i said
and i asked if anyone else had the same problem, end of story



and when the hell did i call them noobs?
i think they are easy kills and uninventive morons
like i said. no offense to you at all. merely saying this is MY SIMPLE POINT OF VIEW. never accused you of saying anything of the sort. merely, as i have already stated, pointing out my view points on campers.

many people complain, call them noobs, and "*****". never said you do. just again, stating my general thoughts.

sorry for any misunderstandings ^.^
 

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brainless906 said:
keyton777 said:
brainless906 said:
well, my simple point of view. aside from spawn campers, if you are skilled at all in the game and these so called "campers" are "teh noobzorz" then you should have no problem killing them no? so stop your obsessive bitching and play. lol. (by the way i am not a so called "camper" myself. though i have no problem disposing of them. unless you count sniping as camping...in which case...fuck off...) :D
again who said i was bitching?
sheesh, campers are anoying thats all i said
and i asked if anyone else had the same problem, end of story



and when the hell did i call them noobs?
i think they are easy kills and uninventive morons
like i said. no offense to you at all. merely saying this is MY SIMPLE POINT OF VIEW. never accused you of saying anything of the sort. merely, as i have already stated, pointing out my view points on campers.

many people complain, call them noobs, and "*****". never said you do. just again, stating my general thoughts.

sorry for any misunderstandings ^.^
ah my bad didnt mean to attack you there

(bad day)
 

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Draculafreak said:
Yes you are the only one because you suck. Run up to the campers and shove a frag up their ass if you don't like them.

i sometimes hope most gamers have the eyes and the mental capacity to READ more than two boxes, but as this person so clearly demostraits...well im going to leave that one up to you imagination.
im not bitching im asking opinions
for every person that thinks i am go eat a spunk flavored lolipop
 

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keyton777 said:
brainless906 said:
keyton777 said:
brainless906 said:
well, my simple point of view. aside from spawn campers, if you are skilled at all in the game and these so called "campers" are "teh noobzorz" then you should have no problem killing them no? so stop your obsessive bitching and play. lol. (by the way i am not a so called "camper" myself. though i have no problem disposing of them. unless you count sniping as camping...in which case...fuck off...) :D
again who said i was bitching?
sheesh, campers are anoying thats all i said
and i asked if anyone else had the same problem, end of story



and when the hell did i call them noobs?
i think they are easy kills and uninventive morons
like i said. no offense to you at all. merely saying this is MY SIMPLE POINT OF VIEW. never accused you of saying anything of the sort. merely, as i have already stated, pointing out my view points on campers.

many people complain, call them noobs, and "*****". never said you do. just again, stating my general thoughts.

sorry for any misunderstandings ^.^
ah my bad didnt mean to attack you there

(bad day)
sall good dude. first time on the escapist forums, but all forums are basic the same eh.
i.e. i know people like to lash out on forums, though not many tend to fix there mistake.
lol, thnx eh.
 

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keyton777 said:
Draculafreak said:
Yes you are the only one because you suck. Run up to the campers and shove a frag up their ass if you don't like them.

i sometimes hope most gamers have the eyes and the mental capacity to READ more than two boxes, but as this person so clearly demostraits...well im going to leave that one up to you imagination.
im not bitching im asking opinions
for every person that thinks i am go eat a spunk flavored lolipop

wow, this one is quite the observant one eh...
 

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brainless906 said:
keyton777 said:
Draculafreak said:
Yes you are the only one because you suck. Run up to the campers and shove a frag up their ass if you don't like them.

i sometimes hope most gamers have the eyes and the mental capacity to READ more than two boxes, but as this person so clearly demostraits...well im going to leave that one up to you imagination.
im not bitching im asking opinions
for every person that thinks i am go eat a spunk flavored lolipop

wow, this one is quite the observant one eh...
hes kinda like the african guy int he first page, just shorter, and with different words, i think he would have been better off copy pasting what that guy said, so a few ppl can sumarrily chop him to bits for fun
 

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I <3 FPS games, and campers are indeed a bane. BUT, they're easier to kill than you really think. Sniper rifles and grenades my friend, and you are set. If they're watching one spot, just go around.
Also, AVOID YOUR TEAMMATES!!!
They're loud bullet magnets and if they're going one way, go the other way. They'll be killed many timed by campers, and you'll have the leisure of stabbing the campers in their exposed rears.
Works for me anyways.
 

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keyton777 said:
brainless906 said:
keyton777 said:
Draculafreak said:
Yes you are the only one because you suck. Run up to the campers and shove a frag up their ass if you don't like them.

i sometimes hope most gamers have the eyes and the mental capacity to READ more than two boxes, but as this person so clearly demostraits...well im going to leave that one up to you imagination.
im not bitching im asking opinions
for every person that thinks i am go eat a spunk flavored lolipop

wow, this one is quite the observant one eh...
hes kinda like the african guy int he first page, just shorter, and with different words, i think he would have been better off copy pasting what that guy said, so a few ppl can sumarrily chop him to bits for fun
agreed.
seems like a better plan then his initial and final strategy.