Well, I get called out for camping in games that require you to defend an objective, I thought that was my role?
camping, why does everyone hate it
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It depends on the situation. Truthfully I've found that along with bugs, companies have a tendency not to playtest maps very much, or at least they don't get it done properly... no matter what they claim. Holding certain positions with certain weapons/classes can be tantamount to an exploit because it can render someone nearly invincible, and depending on the type of game, that's a problem. Maps are tweaked frequently for this reason.shootthebandit said:ive decided to come out the closet about being a camper. infact let me rephrase that, ive decided to stay inside the closet about being a camper, everyone knows us campers like to hide.
basically im a camper/ambusher, in blackops i have ghost pro with a silenced weapon, i hide somewhere plant a motion sensor, lure people into my sights with a decoy and shoot them like fish in a barrel. i then hide facing my original location and when they come back to get me they get a tomahawk in the back of thier head
this is camping at its worst it manipulates enemies and draws them into a trap ALTHOUGH camping is such a natural technique look at a mantis, a mantis will wait until its prey comes to it, likewise a spider sets up his web and awaits his prey. it works because its worked for millions of years. evolution is giving us campers a helping hand
just remember dont hate the player, hate the game
At any rate, while what you describe is a problem, it's not what I consider "camping". To me camping is less of an issue. It's when you set up on, or near a respawn point and kill people as they re-appear constantly and pretty much give them no chance to do anything. Either that or in an MMORPG do something like sit around near a guy's corpse (in a game with corpse retrieval) and kill them again and again as they come to try and get their stuff back, or rez and move on to do something else (or whatever). These kinds of situations are no longer all that common due to game design preventing it.
I've been on both sides of it, in less mature days I enjoyed it, so I can understand the allure. I do however feel it's a problem and game busting, and it's a good thing they addressed it.
When it comes to what your describing, the issue is more difficult to deal with. Arguements can be made that not exploiting it when your in the area and know what to do is "gimping yourself" but by the same token an unfair advantage, is an unfair advantage. I for one am not going to play with people who do things like that (on the rare occasions I play multiplayer shooters).
To be brutally honest, one of the reasons why I don't do FPS games isn't just that I'm not all that good at them, but because a lot of it seems to invaribly comes down to a lot of complaining, trash talking, and competitions about who can exploit the game the worst, complete with whining when a company finally fixes something so a specific bit of ridiculousness can no longer be performed. Competition oftentimes coming down to who can find ways to break/exploit the game the most.
It's not the campers I hate. It's being killed by the same guy 15 times in a row by the same guy who is staying in one spot every time I spawn.
It's a legitimate strategy. I can respect a camper, especially if it's a demolition game mode in Socom and they have the bomb. We have to guard our plant, how are we to do that by running and gunning? At that point you need some people to camp. Now on the flip side, I hate camping if we had the bomb and they still[/] camp our spawn; we don't need you there anymore, we have to go plant the bomb now.
So all in all, I don't do it often, but I do it for a reason. And when others do it purposefully, I don't mind it either. I don't even mind it in team deathmatch and deathmatch games. Chances are I'm going to out kill you and avoid you because I don't want to feed you a kill, but also because I get more kill opportunities by moving.
So all in all, I don't do it often, but I do it for a reason. And when others do it purposefully, I don't mind it either. I don't even mind it in team deathmatch and deathmatch games. Chances are I'm going to out kill you and avoid you because I don't want to feed you a kill, but also because I get more kill opportunities by moving.
Objective based attack and defend games are the only times I find it reasonable to camp, and that depends on the side you're on. The Russians in Search and Destroy on the map Harbor in the first Call of Duty camped all the time. It made no sense since they were the attackers. Attackers should not be camping unless they've planted the bomb and are now the defenders.TerranReaper said:
Some child(13-15) was bitching at me earlier because I planted the bomb, and with my whole team dead, defended it from their entire team by moving from cover to cover in 1 room. I wasn't camping, I was defending. You're not supposed to just walk away and let them defuse.
People just don't understand.
People may not like it, but I will say this:
Your true-to-life-and-gritty FPS is designed to mimic real war, right? Well, guess what? In war, PEOPLE DIE AND DIE LOTS! And many of them will die from some guy they didn't see that was lying in wait with a really good ambush point that he will NEVER leave, because it was a good solid tactic on how to kill others without dying himself. If you can't live with this fact, then you probably shouldn't be playing your gritty real-life FPS. IT IS A LEGITIMATE TACTIC. I'm sorry, but if I'm gonna get my ass shot up by robots in the wasteland, you're gonna get hit by people who know how to hide, aim, and shoot. Live with it.
Your true-to-life-and-gritty FPS is designed to mimic real war, right? Well, guess what? In war, PEOPLE DIE AND DIE LOTS! And many of them will die from some guy they didn't see that was lying in wait with a really good ambush point that he will NEVER leave, because it was a good solid tactic on how to kill others without dying himself. If you can't live with this fact, then you probably shouldn't be playing your gritty real-life FPS. IT IS A LEGITIMATE TACTIC. I'm sorry, but if I'm gonna get my ass shot up by robots in the wasteland, you're gonna get hit by people who know how to hide, aim, and shoot. Live with it.
Clever camping like what you've said OP can be fine, but when you have a guy just sitting in the corner of a room for the entire match waiting for someone to come by, but even after killing someone, never moves. It's annoying because that guy isn't in the fray he's just in a corner on the map.
My camping is short, I'll run to a spot, look around, wait for a minute and run off. If I kill someone I'll stand up and move on. Most of the time I have a shotgun and am running around point blanking people in the face.
It's the same problem when you play Rush in Bad Company 2, your entire team is snipers and you gotta set the bombs, but they're just on a hill sniping. How does that help your team? It doesn't.
And that's where camping becomes a problem, when you're not helping your team. You're just worried about your K/D and cowering in a hole hoping to pick off a few unsuspecting people so you can brag to your friends about your 3.1 KD.
My camping is short, I'll run to a spot, look around, wait for a minute and run off. If I kill someone I'll stand up and move on. Most of the time I have a shotgun and am running around point blanking people in the face.
It's the same problem when you play Rush in Bad Company 2, your entire team is snipers and you gotta set the bombs, but they're just on a hill sniping. How does that help your team? It doesn't.
And that's where camping becomes a problem, when you're not helping your team. You're just worried about your K/D and cowering in a hole hoping to pick off a few unsuspecting people so you can brag to your friends about your 3.1 KD.
Yeah. This. People hate spawn campers, not people who take advantage of terrain or positions in the middle of an encounter.Jamboxdotcom said:
Otherwise, it's just saying, "I HATE TACTICS!! GWAAAAAARR!!"
The reason I don't camp is that everyone knows where you are after you've killed them.
"Hehe, one kill from a harrier..."
*grenade flies in*
"SON OF A *****"
That basically ended my camping days in MW2.
"Hehe, one kill from a harrier..."
*grenade flies in*
"SON OF A *****"
That basically ended my camping days in MW2.
I love camping. Out in the fresh air with my tent and my stove, fishing for dinner and sleeping under the stars.
It's teh best.
It's teh best.
It distracts for the over all fun of the game, in my opinion. If it's to defend one place, thats fine. But it's generally boring, which is why I don't do it.
Its a valid tactic. I use it once in a while when i play CounterStrike.Not all the time, because it would be boring.
the only camping i hate is spawn camping i my self like to camp i love using bolts in cod waw i am also a fair run and gunner if i get shot in the head by a camper i am hunting and he out smarts me great for him because i am coming back how ever if i get shot 10+ times after i take 4 steps out of spawn thats just bull shit
im glad you can respect my tactic but id say my tactic (from my opponents viewpoint) would be worse. Atleast the guy in the corner gets flushed out with a nade of a stunSnotnarok said:
i have to agree with what you said about BC2, camping when defending is a good plan but when attacking its not good
I don't have issues with camping, just ninety percent of the time, they(as in my team) are doing it at the worse time. If there is a countdown to when a bomb goes off where we are going to lose, If I find you camping, I will shoot you myself.
Another small I have with camping is it can completely stall the game, especially if it is an objective based. what is the point of playing a team game when I am doing everything by myself, might as well play single player.
Another small I have with camping is it can completely stall the game, especially if it is an objective based. what is the point of playing a team game when I am doing everything by myself, might as well play single player.
I hate camping. With a passion. I think camping is almost an exploit. It takes no skill to hide in a corner and spray rounds out the only entrance.
I hate rushers. I hate them with less of a passion then campers, but i still hate them.
The best players arnt campers. The best players arnt rushers. They play a defencive style of locking an area down. Im one of them. My K/D in Black ops is 1.94. My win to loss ratio is .78.
Why is there such a differance in there? Because everytime i play TDM, the other team camps theyer assess off, and everyone on my team gets destroyed and goes -10.
I hate it because its annoying. Theres nothing fun about sitting in a corner for 7 minutes straight getting only 10 kills a match. You can honestly point out campers just by theyer K/D. Because it will eather be an absurd number, or a shitty one. I have a friend whos a camper. His K/D is over 30. He barly gets more then 8 kills a match, and his highest streak is 12.
Its pathetic. Hiding has always been considered a cowards way of life, and that will never change. Not until i get to make a game atleast.....
I hate rushers. I hate them with less of a passion then campers, but i still hate them.
The best players arnt campers. The best players arnt rushers. They play a defencive style of locking an area down. Im one of them. My K/D in Black ops is 1.94. My win to loss ratio is .78.
Why is there such a differance in there? Because everytime i play TDM, the other team camps theyer assess off, and everyone on my team gets destroyed and goes -10.
I hate it because its annoying. Theres nothing fun about sitting in a corner for 7 minutes straight getting only 10 kills a match. You can honestly point out campers just by theyer K/D. Because it will eather be an absurd number, or a shitty one. I have a friend whos a camper. His K/D is over 30. He barly gets more then 8 kills a match, and his highest streak is 12.
Its pathetic. Hiding has always been considered a cowards way of life, and that will never change. Not until i get to make a game atleast.....
I've taken to playing TF2 lately, and often I'll play Sniper and find a cozy little spot from which I can watch over one entrance to my immediate area. The good thing about a game like TF2 is that there always seems to be at LEAST three different entrances into any given area, thus making the damage a single person can do whilst camping very limited. I often end up getting killed by another Sniper or someone more proficient in combat at closer range who managed to sneak up behind me, and so I believe it all ends up balancing out nicely.
The problem people have with camping is that people who just sit in a corner the entire game with a shotgun or SMG or whatever usually are not very good players who need to camp in order to go positive. Being killed by someone of lesser skill (or perceived lesser skill) than you grates on the nerves. Once you've been killed by several of these "scrubs", eventually you just start to hate them all.
The tactic of (what I call) Baiting comprises of the use of things like decoys, camouflage, etc. This is valid tactical play. You are pulling in (for lack of a better word) suckers, killing them, and making them come back for the inevitable revenge-kill attempt. Now I might get annoyed if you stayed in one area the entire game, but assuming you moved around the map and established different killzones, it's all good.
Now attack/defend scenarios are different. I fully expect the defenders to whip out the tent and marshmallows to protect their targets. I prefer to set up a perimeter personally, but hey, with a team of randoms, what can you really do?
The thing about CoD that makes me think of campers is that the killstreak rewards help you get more kills --> camping to get those KS. For example: in BO, the chopper gunner absolutely devastates an unprepared team. People who are not that good can hide behind a refrigerator or something until they get 9 kills (sometimes 8) then get on top of the boards through their KS alone. This was more apparent in MW2 with the nuke.
Personally, I prefer the camp, kill, move strategy when I'm not running 'n' gunning. I get around the map, but with a decent enough K/D (hopefully).
The reasons I like Bad Company 2 when it comes to campers are the following:
1) You can just blow up their hiding spot with explosives. Taking the whole building down with the camper trapped inside is very satisfying.
2) Tanks/Helis ruin campers days. Try hiding from an angry Apache, it's not going to work very well if the pilot/gunner is hungry for your blood.
3) Spotting shows the position of that person to your WHOLE TEAM. Now all it takes is one person seeing the camper and then the whole team can just blast them.
4) Few Killstreak incentives. There are extra points for 6 & 8 KS's, but not something like a deployable helicopter because you can get those off the start of the match anyways.
The tactic of (what I call) Baiting comprises of the use of things like decoys, camouflage, etc. This is valid tactical play. You are pulling in (for lack of a better word) suckers, killing them, and making them come back for the inevitable revenge-kill attempt. Now I might get annoyed if you stayed in one area the entire game, but assuming you moved around the map and established different killzones, it's all good.
Now attack/defend scenarios are different. I fully expect the defenders to whip out the tent and marshmallows to protect their targets. I prefer to set up a perimeter personally, but hey, with a team of randoms, what can you really do?
The thing about CoD that makes me think of campers is that the killstreak rewards help you get more kills --> camping to get those KS. For example: in BO, the chopper gunner absolutely devastates an unprepared team. People who are not that good can hide behind a refrigerator or something until they get 9 kills (sometimes 8) then get on top of the boards through their KS alone. This was more apparent in MW2 with the nuke.
Personally, I prefer the camp, kill, move strategy when I'm not running 'n' gunning. I get around the map, but with a decent enough K/D (hopefully).
The reasons I like Bad Company 2 when it comes to campers are the following:
1) You can just blow up their hiding spot with explosives. Taking the whole building down with the camper trapped inside is very satisfying.
2) Tanks/Helis ruin campers days. Try hiding from an angry Apache, it's not going to work very well if the pilot/gunner is hungry for your blood.
3) Spotting shows the position of that person to your WHOLE TEAM. Now all it takes is one person seeing the camper and then the whole team can just blast them.
4) Few Killstreak incentives. There are extra points for 6 & 8 KS's, but not something like a deployable helicopter because you can get those off the start of the match anyways.