Can (Internet) Piracy ever be Justified?

[The_Blue_Rider]

I'm actually half tempted to take the time to argue with a mathematical proof that when you take the probability of each individual event of each possible act of piracy spread throughout the population of the world that the likelihood of this not being true is within acceptable variance to call it 0%. Alas I'm not quite that bored yet.

I just quoted you to say that your Avatar disgusts me. I don't mean to be rude and I'm not trying to insult you...... but God, your avatar is REALLY disquieting. I don't like it at all.

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unlucky

OT: Really depends on the circumstance, if you bought it in the first place its fine, unless you bought it for one system then later decided to pirate it on another system

 

[Hive Mind]

A husband and wife vaginally and anally rape and torture their eleven month old baby with a hammer over a period of several days, before then killing the newborn by bashing her skull in. They dispose of the corpse via a trash shoot. When asked why they committed the crimes they responded with: "Because it was fun." The women is currently serving a life sentence in my father's prison for, among other crimes, murder and rape.

Justify this for me.

P.S: Justify -

"To prove or show to be just, right, or reasonable.
B (1): to show to have had a sufficient legal reason (2) : to qualify (oneself) as a surety by taking oath to the ownership of sufficient property"

Okay.

Combining moral nihilism and hedonistic philosophies, you've answered your own question. "Because it was fun". You see, these two have clearly gained enjoyment out of this, and there is really nothing you can want for more during your brief stay on this planet. The moral nihilism says that there is no right or wrong, and thus the pain suffered by the child amounts to nothing. Becuase it is nothing. Morailty is just make-believe, and if you've had fun, hell, congrats.

There, done.

Have you ever read anything by Mark Poster? Somehow I doubt it.

 

[kayisking]

This is kind of tough, because anyone under the age of 40 who says they've never pirated anything in their life is a liar.

Oh hi there. What's it like being psychic and knowing everything? Must be weird, being able to make such claims and know you're right.

Ah, come on. You know he's mostly right. I thought that we on the escapist agreed that most people in the world were nothing more then mindless zombies that are being led by the nose by charismatic political and religious figures and don't have even the smallest bit of moral consciense. You know, idiots. So thats 98 percent for you right there.
Ps. I do not wish to offend anybody and you should read this message within its own context.
PPs. Sorry for my bad English, I'm not a native speaker.

Jesus, for someone that isn't a native speaker you have amazing English.

Thanks man, I had to practice on it a lot (Read: Play videogames 8 hours a day).

I'm no man, but you're welcome, lol.

May I ask what your native tongue is? I'm told English is very hard to learn as a second language.

It's Dutch, I'm from The Netherlands.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I'm actually half tempted to take the time to argue with a mathematical proof that when you take the probability of each individual event of each possible act of piracy spread throughout the population of the world that the likelihood of this not being true is within acceptable variance to call it 0%. Alas I'm not quite that bored yet.

I just quoted you to say that your Avatar disgusts me. I don't mean to be rude and I'm not trying to insult you...... but God, your avatar is REALLY disquieting. I don't like it at all.

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

But you are if you have the good luck to be born into a situation that allows you to get whatever it is you want? Pot, meet the kettle.

No. You aren't entitled to a video game because you are born in a developed country.

Please don't quote me incorrectly.

Then learn to speak English. The person in a developed country who is fortunate enough to also have the money is legally entitled to buy the game that is legally for sale in his country. The argument you used reeks of entitled rich people from developed nations. It is one of my absolute least favorite arguments, because it is inherently hypocritical.

Edit: It's implied by your argument. In logical debates, statements have implications.

 

[Hive Mind]

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unluckym

What part of 'help' reads as 'is entitled to steal video games'? Am I missing something?

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unluckym

What part of 'help' reads as 'is entitled to steal video games'? Am I missing something?

For that matter, what part of "something" does?

 

[Hive Mind]

I'm actually half tempted to take the time to argue with a mathematical proof that when you take the probability of each individual event of each possible act of piracy spread throughout the population of the world that the likelihood of this not being true is within acceptable variance to call it 0%. Alas I'm not quite that bored yet.

I just quoted you to say that your Avatar disgusts me. I don't mean to be rude and I'm not trying to insult you...... but God, your avatar is REALLY disquieting. I don't like it at all.

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

But you are if you have the good luck to be born into a situation that allows you to get whatever it is you want? Pot, meet the kettle.

No. You aren't entitled to a video game because you are born in a developed country.

Please don't quote me incorrectly.

Then learn to speak English. The person in a developed country who is fortunate enough to also have the money is legally entitled to buy the game that is legally for sale in his country. The argument you used reeks of entitled rich people from developed nations. It is one of my absolute least favorite arguments, because it is inherently hypocritical.

I am not entitled to a video game. I may purchase one with money I have earned. Just as anyone can purchase something if they have the money.

Please, read my comments more carefully in future.

Have you ever read anything by Mark Poster? Somehow I doubt it.

What a well thought-out, informative and may I say insightful response.

The sarcasm reassures me in my statement in multitudes.

 

[The_Blue_Rider]

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unluckym

What part of 'help' reads as 'is entitled to steal video games'? Am I missing something?

Dont you think that these children deserve some kind of luxury? Something that can make them feel happier if even only for a few hours?

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

I'm actually half tempted to take the time to argue with a mathematical proof that when you take the probability of each individual event of each possible act of piracy spread throughout the population of the world that the likelihood of this not being true is within acceptable variance to call it 0%. Alas I'm not quite that bored yet.

I just quoted you to say that your Avatar disgusts me. I don't mean to be rude and I'm not trying to insult you...... but God, your avatar is REALLY disquieting. I don't like it at all.

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

But you are if you have the good luck to be born into a situation that allows you to get whatever it is you want? Pot, meet the kettle.

No. You aren't entitled to a video game because you are born in a developed country.

Please don't quote me incorrectly.

Then learn to speak English. The person in a developed country who is fortunate enough to also have the money is legally entitled to buy the game that is legally for sale in his country. The argument you used reeks of entitled rich people from developed nations. It is one of my absolute least favorite arguments, because it is inherently hypocritical.

I am not entitled to a video game. I may purchase one with money I have earned. Just as anyone can purchase something if they have the money.

Please, read my comments more carefully in future.

Have you ever read anything by Mark Poster? Somehow I doubt it.

What a well thought-out, informative and may I say insightful response.

The sarcasm reassures me in my statement in multitudes.

So you're saying that someone who was born into money and has never worked a day in his life can't morally use that money to purchase a videogame? Because if you aren't saying that, my point stands.

 

[Hive Mind]

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unluckym

What part of 'help' reads as 'is entitled to steal video games'? Am I missing something?

Dont you think that these children deserve some kind of luxury? Something that can make them feel happier if even only for a few hours?

You don't magically become entitled to steal something because you have terrible luck.

 

[Hive Mind]

So you're saying that someone who was born into money and has never worked a day in his life can't morally use that money to purchase a videogame? Because if you aren't saying that, my point stands.

This post made me laugh.

Please, do show me how being entitled to something is the same as having the right to purchase something?

I'm greatly interested.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unluckym

What part of 'help' reads as 'is entitled to steal video games'? Am I missing something?

Dont you think that these children deserve some kind of luxury? Something that can make them feel happier if even only for a few hours?

You don't magically become entitled to steal something because you have terrible luck.

Do I have to point you to the legal definition of theft and the legal definition of copyright infringement (the legal term for what we call piracy)? Because they're two different concepts.

 

[Hive Mind]

The sarcasm reassures me in my statement in multitudes.

Haha, you know, I'm sure it does.

Thank you for the kind words.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

So you're saying that someone who was born into money and has never worked a day in his life can't morally use that money to purchase a videogame? Because if you aren't saying that, my point stands.

This post made me laugh.

Please, do show me how being entitled to something is the same as having the right to purchase something?

I'm greatly interested.

Entitlement
noun

The fact of having a right to something

http://www.google.com/search?q=percent+of+people+who+have+pirated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbs=dfn:1&source=hp&q=entitlement&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d4ad5a2257f1f432

 

[Hive Mind]

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unluckym

What part of 'help' reads as 'is entitled to steal video games'? Am I missing something?

Dont you think that these children deserve some kind of luxury? Something that can make them feel happier if even only for a few hours?

You don't magically become entitled to steal something because you have terrible luck.

Do I have to point you to the legal definition of theft and the legal definition of copyright infringement (the legal term for what we call piracy)? Because they're two different concepts.

Would you like to imply that being unlucky gives you the right to commit a crime other than stealing, such as copyright infringement? If not, your post adds nothing to the conversation and your strawman is an abysmal failure.

 

[Hive Mind]

So you're saying that someone who was born into money and has never worked a day in his life can't morally use that money to purchase a videogame? Because if you aren't saying that, my point stands.

This post made me laugh.

Please, do show me how being entitled to something is the same as having the right to purchase something?

I'm greatly interested.

Entitlement
noun

The fact of having a right to something

http://www.google.com/search?q=percent+of+people+who+have+pirated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbs=dfn:1&source=hp&q=entitlement&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d4ad5a2257f1f432

Everyone is entitled to the right to purchase something with their own money.

Congratulations. This was never in debate.

 

[Atheist.]

Since this thread gets asked about once a week, I'll say it's valid if you buy the game, and use it get passed DRM. I also think it's acceptable if you live in a country the game cannot be purchased in.

Seriously, though. Please use the search bar.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

OT: Does a kid in a poor, 3rd world nation not have the right to play any games whatsoever, because not a SINGLE game Publishing company in the world, sends a Single copy of any of it's games to his/her country's shops? He loses the right to play video games, watch Int'l movies, or hear foreign music, because s/he just so happens to have been born to a couple living in said poor country?

I'm not going to answer that ofcourse. I'm just going to leave that there....

You aren't entitled to something because you have bad luck.

Oh no, this kid was born without arms, he's not entitled to help though, he was just unluckym

What part of 'help' reads as 'is entitled to steal video games'? Am I missing something?

Dont you think that these children deserve some kind of luxury? Something that can make them feel happier if even only for a few hours?

You don't magically become entitled to steal something because you have terrible luck.

Do I have to point you to the legal definition of theft and the legal definition of copyright infringement (the legal term for what we call piracy)? Because they're two different concepts.

Would you like to imply that being unlucky gives you the right to commit a crime other than stealing, such as copyright infringement? If not, your post adds nothing to the conversation and your strawman is an abysmal failure.

No, it's legitimate: we're talking morality here, I've never once said piracy was in any way legal. How is it that being lucky makes it morally right to have access to something, which being unlucky makes it morally wrong for one to have access to?

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

So you're saying that someone who was born into money and has never worked a day in his life can't morally use that money to purchase a videogame? Because if you aren't saying that, my point stands.

This post made me laugh.

Please, do show me how being entitled to something is the same as having the right to purchase something?

I'm greatly interested.

Entitlement
noun

The fact of having a right to something

http://www.google.com/search?q=percent+of+people+who+have+pirated&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbs=dfn:1&source=hp&q=entitlement&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=d4ad5a2257f1f432

Everyone is entitled to the right to purchase something with their own money.

Congratulations. This was never in debate.

Then congratulations, you've proven that you only have a problem with entitlement when poor people feel it. Pot, kettle, black.

 

[Lem0nade Inlay]

Do people get a special badge for making these "Is piracy justifiable" threads? Seems like this is a weekly topic that ends the same way each time, yet it's constantly remade.

Sorry. Truthfully, two things caused me to make this thread.

A. I was interested in people's opinions and, honestelly, I couldn't be arsed to use the search function.
And,
B. I recently did an English Oral on the subject and I wanted to see if there were any arguements supporting piracy.

Do you have an opinion at all?