Oh yeah, the fandom for it is crazy. Also, not popular? I could sworn that it was pretty popular. It was popular enough to go on for a couple of extra seasons after it was supposed to end.Alek_the_Great said:
Can we please stop it with the Tumblr hate?
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Not so much homophobia, but I have encountered male shippers that will call you a "fucking ******" for not liking their lesbian waifus, or daring to bring canon into their porn. From my experience, its less calls about homophobia, and more mocking your sexuality for not finding lesbians hot.Queen Michael said:
Kim Possible had a fairly sizeable adult fandom, probably a similar size to shows like Rescue Rangers, and Danny Phantom, they definately are all over the place on Deviantart anyway.erttheking said:
If I remember right, Kim X Shego was either the most popular or second most popular pairing, and I've seen a couple flame wars sprout up around the canon pairing with Kim and Ron.
Still, the worst shipping flamewars will always go to Avatar and Ranma 1/2, those shippers be crazy.
I can see the temptation to equivocate these things (I even compared it to kink in one of my posts), but surely you can realize, at least socially, the distinction between preferring a hair color and literally not experiencing any kind of sexual attraction to anyone unless you establish some kind of personal, emotional connection with them first.Zontar said:
Besides, we DO have terms for preferences. Especially in the gay-community. Anything-queen is and has been well accepted language for ages, bears, etc. So even if this was just an extension of that, it wouldn't be anything new.
It's a transitional phase. Those always come with bumps.Zontar said:
No the point I was trying to make is that the demi-sexual guy thought he was a freak of nature because was not interested in sex unless he was emotionally invested he until he realized that was ok. You never thought being interested in certain types of women was wrong, which is why there isn't a special term for it.
or what if its the same thing but they express it in a different way? less emphasis on the graphic nature and more on the emotions and romance of the thing...I suspect why eroitca *may*? be more popular amonst women? I know when I look at women in that way I don't think I do it the way a straight guy doesQueen Michael said:
interestingly I read an article on Autostraddle about why there wasn't more femslash in the fanfic comunity and could it be something to do with disdain for female charachters and our dismissal of female sexuality? I would have thourght its because it doesn't appeal to hetero women? but I don't know...wish I could link but I can't
it exists....both they "guy" type (see reddit rule 34 for examples) and the (faaaar less common) "girl" type though the former exists mostly in visual form...how many male femslash fanfic writers there are I wouldn't knowAlek_the_Great said:
anyway I find it hard to condemn shipping when I do it all the time in my head (between female charachters)
I would also chalk part of it up to the sheer adundance of male dominated shows and properties. One of the things I've noticed is that slash shipping tends to take place in shows where the cast is either dominated by men or women. To see what this looks like in shows with female casts, the Sailor moon fandom had some fairly prominent groups of male writers shipping lesbian sailor scouts. Harem anime often gets this treatment too, although it's usually buried under straight ships with the single male protagonist.Vault101 said:
The biggest example I can think of is actually the MLP fandom, where the number of male fanfic authors seems to be huge compared to most fandoms, and the gender ratio of the show means that lesbian shipping is pretty much the vast majority of shipping taking place. A lot of the male authors seem to have translated the habits and tropes of their female counterparts into the stories they write.
Oh my God, that's adorable.Queen Michael said:
Yeah, sorry folks, shipping happens everywhere at all times. If there are fans of something, and there will probably be a fan of just about everything, there is awful porn being written of it at this very moment. The only difference between tumblr's thing being considered hideous is that most porn is decidedly for the male gaze, and when you pitch it to appeal to the female gaze instead people get confused and their hackles get raised real quick. People like different things. That's okay. Sometimes fandoms get turned in on themselves and go really weird. That's... well, that's not okay, but it's far from a thing limited to just Tumblr. Literally the only difference is that Tumblr's communities tend to be skewed in gender ratio towards the feminine and apparently some people can't handle that. Fandom's always weird. Fandom will always be hella weird. We can talk about specific instances of fandom drama but let's be honest, if there is a fandom, and more than one and a half people are in it, there's going to be drama, and it is far, far, far, FAR, FAR, F A R from a tumblr-specific event. It's also slightly hilarious to me that Tumblr is 'the place' for gay shipping that is forced and unrealistic but anyone can spend half a second on /y/ and go "wait, REALLY?" at a piece of artwork before scrolling down the page.
Superwholock fandom is a very...weird case (though the thing that comes close would probably be Homestuck). I'm not totally informed on how Superwholock works, but I know a lot of people insist that homosexual stuff is pretty natural to the source. That could just be so much projection, but again the Superwholock phenomenon is very...weird. It's basically its own discussion.Alek_the_Great said:
Can we please stop with all the threads asking if we can please stop with shit that doesn't remotely matter?
No one cares what the people who don't like Tumblr think about Tumblr because those people most likely don't use Tumblr.
I don't know what kind of perfect Disney world you people are hoping for that we will one day all live in perfect harmony and respect every single person's individual beliefs down to the most trivial minutiae but it's never gonna happen, and all you do by bringing these topics up over and over again is succeed in pouring more fuel on the flames and make it look like your painting yourselves as victims in an imaginary war that only you are having.
I use Tumblr for part of my art portfolio and I honestly don't give a shit what people think about it. It's just that easy.
No one cares what the people who don't like Tumblr think about Tumblr because those people most likely don't use Tumblr.
I don't know what kind of perfect Disney world you people are hoping for that we will one day all live in perfect harmony and respect every single person's individual beliefs down to the most trivial minutiae but it's never gonna happen, and all you do by bringing these topics up over and over again is succeed in pouring more fuel on the flames and make it look like your painting yourselves as victims in an imaginary war that only you are having.
I use Tumblr for part of my art portfolio and I honestly don't give a shit what people think about it. It's just that easy.
I don't get forcing two characters of the same gender together if there is absolutely zero evidence to support such a pairing, especially if there is evidence for the exact opposite, it makes no sense to me. If there was evidence for such a pairing possibility, I don't have a problem with it - like implied Rei x Usagi in Sailor Moon (I will admit it's been a while since I've seen that so I could be remembering incorrectly). TBH, I find good gender flip stories to me much more interesting. Unless it's pure smut, seriously can't stand reading smut - often comes across as the authors personal wank material which makes it weird, and it's also eye rollingly bad in most cases.
Can I ask a question? This can apply to everyone else as well; who cares? You two are pretty much going back and forth on the finer points of how someone feels should be called. I'm projecting not going to lie, but I always wondered why can't we just drop all these labels. I feel like it's more productive to define someone on what they do personally. Or in other words, personally I don't care if your X or into Y, but if you parade it around like that's all your about I won't have much interest in getting to know ya.ayvee said:
On Topic: I don't feel a small portion of a group should define the whole lot. I'm pretty sure you guys don't like it when someone in the media thinks gamers are lazy violent losers who have no social skills and a drag on society as a whole. If you have a problem with that person then you have a problem with that person. Now if the goal of side group is to do something that is not right then that is different. But this Tumblr hate seems to stem from bad eggs, not as a core.
Now if you will excuse me I need to get a hedgehog to hold still so I can snap some photos.
Actually in your settings there is a way to change that so that you do have the individual pages to flip throughTheYellowCellPhone said:
There's extensions for it that will close all images and do a nsfw filter
but all that's stuff that either people tell you or you figure out on your own (though the first I figured out by looking at my settings)
OT: As a regular tumblr user (hey I have to have somewhere to put my random thoughts and my photography up at and to look at attractive people), you basically get into it what you put into it. If you follow a bunch of people in the SJ type of designation, that's what you're going to get. If you follow a bunch of people posting a lot about video games or half naked women or books that's what you're going to get. At least for the majority. I mean you have people like me who bounce from personal shit to books to movies to political shit to cool artwork to video games to music to slightly social justice type shit to cool weaponry to weaponry in general to random photos I take and just about everything in between (though if you look at my tumblr link in my profile that takes you to just my photography and the first few pages is mostly scenery from the last time I went hiking).
It's like people's definition of Americans or of certain religions. You have the very vocal minority who is usually ignorant as shit making that people's definition of what the whole country/religion is when really it's just a very vocal minority. But because it's the internet it gets pushed into this big huge thing (because nothing on the internet is not a big huge thing even when it is)so people extrapolate that because of this vocal minority everyone else has to be like that. Because logic?
Well I care D:BoredRolePlayer said:
Sorry, that did get more out of hand than I really wanted, but I was just trying to clear up misunderstandings that other people had brought up.
But I think the rest of your post strikes at the heart of why the tumblr hate around here can feel so off. We hate to be misunderstood, plenty of people here scoff at the idea of "gamer culture," or even gamer as a label. Yet the so called tumblr community has far less connective tissue, it's basically facebook for images. A lot of people who criticise it have clearly never used it, but I've also seen people straight up argue that because "SJW" is such a big deal right now it's totally fair and just to use that as a representation of the entire site. And that's ironic.
And in direct response to that comic (demisexual isn't even a gender, smh...), here is a neat post about the history of demisexuality and how that term came about, largely through discussion on the AVEN (Asexual Visibility and Education Network) forums. Not, you will note, on roleplay forums.
http://pianycist.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/the-development-of-gray-asexuality-and-demisexuality-as-identity-terms/
And to be honest, the "it's not a real word" argument has never really held water for me. It's a perfectly respectable mashup of a common prefix with a defined root word. Where are words supposed to come from, exactly, if not through means like the above described? Maybe from a word tree in the deep exotic Amazon where linguists must go on pilgrimage to harvest only the ripest fruits which they slice open with a ceremonial knife and then listen to very carefully for a little whisper of the new word from the squashy insides of the giant fruit? I know compared to other languages English is bonkers, but it's not quite THAT bonkers.
You don't have to subscribe to the same label or whatever, just recognize that some people find it a really useful term to use to identify what they're feeling AND to find a community of similar people. Again, a lot of asexual or, really, anything-but-the-hypersexuality-sold-to-us-in-the-media folk find it very comforting to know they aren't broken, defective, or even alone in having feelings like this. It is a very useful term to them. And that's something that's pretty easy to respect - after all, they get to decide what's important to themselves, right?
All it takes is accepting that maybe something is more important to them than it is to you, and being cool with the idea that they know more about their sexual orientation than you do. Or, more generally, as the gospel from the great sages says... 'Be excellent to one another.' /sweet guitar riff
http://pianycist.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/the-development-of-gray-asexuality-and-demisexuality-as-identity-terms/
And to be honest, the "it's not a real word" argument has never really held water for me. It's a perfectly respectable mashup of a common prefix with a defined root word. Where are words supposed to come from, exactly, if not through means like the above described? Maybe from a word tree in the deep exotic Amazon where linguists must go on pilgrimage to harvest only the ripest fruits which they slice open with a ceremonial knife and then listen to very carefully for a little whisper of the new word from the squashy insides of the giant fruit? I know compared to other languages English is bonkers, but it's not quite THAT bonkers.
You don't have to subscribe to the same label or whatever, just recognize that some people find it a really useful term to use to identify what they're feeling AND to find a community of similar people. Again, a lot of asexual or, really, anything-but-the-hypersexuality-sold-to-us-in-the-media folk find it very comforting to know they aren't broken, defective, or even alone in having feelings like this. It is a very useful term to them. And that's something that's pretty easy to respect - after all, they get to decide what's important to themselves, right?
All it takes is accepting that maybe something is more important to them than it is to you, and being cool with the idea that they know more about their sexual orientation than you do. Or, more generally, as the gospel from the great sages says... 'Be excellent to one another.' /sweet guitar riff
Well, I personally don't hate Tumblr because I only use it for porn, more porn, actual porn art, haikus, music [at one point or another], certain "role-playing ask-type" blogs, and "Rule 63" as of recently... It sucks that a small part of Tumblr has become that "negative representation" that "everyone" should know about beforehand like it's its own little "4chan" or something like that, but I seriously can't get behind that "fact"... and not just because I wouldn't care enough to even associate Tumblr in that kind of light in the first place... Of course, just like the Escapist for example, there's more to it that just people "talking" about [REDACTED], [REDACTED] being "evil", and/or some chick named [REDACTED]... and rationally, that's a bit unfair to those who are just there for porn to connect with those with similar interest...
Sure we can stop the tumblr hate, just stop the 4chan, reddit, etc hate.
The hate doesn't matter. Why would anyone give a shit?
The hate doesn't matter. Why would anyone give a shit?
not a tumbler user but i have one friend in particular whos social media obsession has become just too obnoxious for me to tolerate, and by proxy i now hate tumbler.
whenever i skype with him he insists on telling me everytime he gets a new follower and linking ridiculous gifs and image macros that i couldnt care less about every five minutes and then bitches when i dont look at them.
he recently started using twitter and the other day gleefully informed me that some semi-famous person retweeted him twice.
i just dont know how to respond to it but with sighs and groans. am i being unreasonable or is it rude to shove your social media bs down my throat, when clearly if i gave half a shit, i would participate?
whenever i skype with him he insists on telling me everytime he gets a new follower and linking ridiculous gifs and image macros that i couldnt care less about every five minutes and then bitches when i dont look at them.
he recently started using twitter and the other day gleefully informed me that some semi-famous person retweeted him twice.
i just dont know how to respond to it but with sighs and groans. am i being unreasonable or is it rude to shove your social media bs down my throat, when clearly if i gave half a shit, i would participate?