Carmack Thinks Sony Will Go "Next-Gen" First

[breadlord]

Isn't the PS3 already next-gen?

Compared to the other current systems yes, to current PC tech (which is where all of their so called "next gen" tech comes from)...not by a long shot.

Oh but i would like to say that your right, but there's a motherboard that can handle 2 Quad core intel...things. Not the i7 though because the i7 came out too fast. (Sorry, the i7 has more pins to plug into to work at a stable rate. The older quad core have less.)


Plus There's a server base machine at my dad's old work place that has 8 cores on it. And even by todays' bare minimum, that's really high.

 

[breadlord]

Isn't the PS3 already next-gen?

Next-gen = Next generation. It was next-gen before it came out and now it is current-gen.[/quote]

So 8 core'd computers are being involved in apple's new deca-core system that can play any video game out there? And both of these products are $300, total.


I wish that was true.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

That's a fairly ignorant statement I'm sorry to say. The Wii is a seventh generation console. I don't care if it had the power of a Nintendo DS, it's still a current generation console. It's not a competition, once you've created a console in this generation, it's a seventh generation console.

Christ, first the Wii was not 'next gen' now it's not current gen. *rambles on*

Well, in essence you are correct, this generation nintendo is obviously the current generation nintendo. Can't aruge with that, really. However, you conveniently ignore the heart of my post, which is that when you usually talk about console and generations, in the past, it was usually a performance metric as well. The NES was comparable to that Sega thing. The SNES was comparable to the Mega Drive, and the xbox, the ps2 and the Dreamcast were all comparable in what sort of quality graphics you got on the screen. The generation discussion makes sense and all the consoles were mostly equal in graphical performance.

However, with the Wii, nintendo took a clear and definite step away from this metric. IE, only the 360 and the PS3 have actually improved since the last generation, while the Wii is merely a Gamecube with a fancy new IO system and a weekend away on steroids (a slight chip overclock due to a smaller fab process). This is clearly shown in the comparatively drab graphics and shoddy performance.

That's what I mean when I say its not even current gen, since it has basicly ignored what used to be the console bit-race, and now suffer from being the least played console of all time, even though its the biggest selling one. Nice dust collector though, I am sure.

So simply because they move away from the bit race, it shouldn't be considered in this generation? Improving graphics performance is something that has been done to death. Nintendo tried something different, and that gamble paid off. It has now set the trend by putting motion controls into the fray, with the other two moving into that field as well, and quite frankly I'm glad for it, as we will see some interesting ideas coming from them. Shoddy performance is down to game development, so that's moot, and while it's obvious the power of the console isn't near that of the PS360, the visual quality is up to the developer, case in point, RE Darkside Chronicles and Monster Hunter. And graphics don't have to look like a PS3 game in order to look good [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPJumJ7mkY].

If I want eyeball searing graphics, I'll play my PC, which I do frequently. But I've played some great and original titles on Nintendo's console, and it's the quality that matters. Raw horsepower isn't the only thing that actually puts a console on the map, especially when the first port of call with games is playing them.

So once again, that's a fairly ignorant statement I'm sorry to say.

 

[Joos]

So simply because they move away from the bit race, it shouldn't be considered in this generation? Improving graphics performance is something that has been done to death. Nintendo tried something different, and that gamble paid off. It has now set the trend by putting motion controls into the fray, with the other two moving into that field as well, and quite frankly I'm glad for it, as we will see some interesting ideas coming from them. Shoddy performance is down to game development, so that's moot, and while it's obvious the power of the console isn't near that of the PS360, the visual quality is up to the developer, case in point, RE Darkside Chronicles and Monster Hunter. And graphics don't have to look like a PS3 game in order to look good [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBPJumJ7mkY].

If I want eyeball searing graphics, I'll play my PC, which I do frequently. But I've played some great and original titles on Nintendo's console, and it's the quality that matters. Raw horsepower isn't the only thing that actually puts a console on the map, especially when the first port of call with games is playing them.

So once again, that's a fairly ignorant statement I'm sorry to say.

Baaaaah, you are calling me ignorant just because I have a different opinion than you. Now who is ignorant? You like your Wii and use it, good on you. I on the other hand, do appreciate and want HD content, thus, I don't like the Wii.

I don't dislike the Wii because of its innovation, I like that and I am looking forward to MS's and Sony's attempt at catching up with Nintendo. However, I dislike the lack of innovation in the graphics department. Not all of us wants to spend the amount of money you need to spend to get a decent gaming PC.

However, it is good that a few developers actually manage to push some nice graphics out of the old Gamecube/Wii. Kudos to them. But however much effort they put into their game, it is still going to look pixelated on my TV.

Cheers,
//Joos

 

[Jumplion]

Wouldn't it make sense that those "stairs" are respective yearly holiday seasons?

Fair enough, makes sense, however my overall point remains the same. There was no "boom" for the PS1/PS2, in fact for the first couple of weeks they all sold relatively similar. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ps3 picked up some tempo later on, and despite what everyone says it's still doing relatively well.

 

[Outamyhead]

Oh but i would like to say that your right, but there's a motherboard that can handle 2 Quad core intel...things. Not the i7 though because the i7 came out too fast. (Sorry, the i7 has more pins to plug into to work at a stable rate. The older quad core have less.)


Plus There's a server base machine at my dad's old work place that has 8 cores on it. And even by todays' bare minimum, that's really high.

So I'm right then.

The double quad processor board your talking about is called the skulltrail, if you have $600 just for a motherboard by all means go ahead, my I7 920 with it's motherboard cost $150 less than that, and I have not had any stability problems that you had mentioned, in fact this is the first I have heard of any such problems, from any of the other forums I visit, unless you count overclocking, which is pointless at this stage of the I7 lifespan. And more pins equals more information being processed, and more functionality (probably why it thinks it is an eight core), take a look at the benchmarks of CPU v CPU at toms hardware or hardOCP.

How did the I7 come out too fast, it was 2 years after the quad core 6600, and spent 4 years in development?

I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick, I merely said that current consoles are no where near the current technology on the PC market, I wasn't talking about blade servers (which you cannot compare to a $300 console, because they can be the price of a decent car to a hefty down payment on a house price range), or dual processor boards (that have been around for a while, the Skulltrail is just another step in evolution) that are way above the price range of a mere console.

 

[Jaqen Hghar]

A question for all of you who manages to follow this...
Has Sony lost money on the PS3? I mean, if the PS3 doesn't pick up in sales (from what I can tell they are lagging behind according to what they had hoped) will they even have the financial... balls to make a new console?

I can say right now that I have never been a PS guy, and as long as the PC and X360 has all the games I want it will stay that way. But the console marked needs the competition in order to pump out quality. You could argue that the quality are already plummeting, with only a few rays of sunshine here and there, but without PS it would be even worse.
So I want to know if that is something that might happen.

 

[Outamyhead]

They will still have the money for a next gen, the X-box didn't take off that well in it's first incarnation.

 

[Soxafloppin]

Well most of microsofts success came from being the first next gen console out, i hope sony can get back in the game.

 

[ActionDan]

I think Digital only distribution is a horrible idea. Not everyone has the internet you know. Not everyone can afford it. People would have to sign up with a ISP just to play games on the next generation. That's fucking ridiculous.

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

If anything MS or Nintendo will go next gen first.

 

[Cryo84R]

Nintendo has yet to even get into the current generation.
Friend codes, seriously?

The Wii HD or whatever they want to call it, probably wii+, will come out first.

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

Sony will catch up. With FFV13 and other JRPGs sales should go up in Japan, GT5 should push a good few consoles and will sell quite a bit itself. And if Blu-ray gets bigger you never know. PS2s sales weren't amazing to start. Sony make their consoles to last, and that's just what their doing with the PS3.

If anything Nintendo will be next. Their console is losing appeal and they have somewhere to go at this very moment with things like improved graphics since the Wii struggles to compete with PS2 graphics.

 

[Pimppeter2]

I think Microsoft will do it again. The 360 can't keep up with the ps3 in the long run. I mena that technologically not games and such. I'm kinda expecting an xbox blu ray to go along with natal

 

[Joos]

Ms will never ever go Blu-ray. The company is too proud to do that. They will push digital downloads like a bulldozer. To the loss of all consumers, I am afraid.

 

[nova18]

I hope that NEXT GEN isnt too soon.
I'm slowly building an impressive collection of PS3 games and I'll be damned if I have to buy a new console when Im just done falling in love with the one I have now.

 

[breadlord]

Oh but i would like to say that your right, but there's a motherboard that can handle 2 Quad core intel...things. Not the i7 though because the i7 came out too fast. (Sorry, the i7 has more pins to plug into to work at a stable rate. The older quad core have less.)


Plus There's a server base machine at my dad's old work place that has 8 cores on it. And even by todays' bare minimum, that's really high.

So I'm right then.

The double quad processor board your talking about is called the skulltrail, if you have $600 just for a motherboard by all means go ahead, my I7 920 with it's motherboard cost $150 less than that, and I have not had any stability problems that you had mentioned, in fact this is the first I have heard of any such problems, from any of the other forums I visit, unless you count overclocking, which is pointless at this stage of the I7 lifespan. And more pins equals more information being processed, and more functionality (probably why it thinks it is an eight core), take a look at the benchmarks of CPU v CPU at toms hardware or hardOCP.

How did the I7 come out too fast, it was 2 years after the quad core 6600, and spent 4 years in development?

I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick, I merely said that current consoles are no where near the current technology on the PC market, I wasn't talking about blade servers (which you cannot compare to a $300 console, because they can be the price of a decent car to a hefty down payment on a house price range), or dual processor boards (that have been around for a while, the Skulltrail is just another step in evolution) that are way above the price range of a mere console.

My bad.

 

[AceDiamond]

Nintendo has yet to even get into the current generation.
Friend codes, seriously?

The Wii HD or whatever they want to call it, probably wii+, will come out first.

I could make the same case for Sony. Text chat? Seriously?

 

[Jumplion]

Nintendo has yet to even get into the current generation.
Friend codes, seriously?

The Wii HD or whatever they want to call it, probably wii+, will come out first.

I could make the same case for Sony. Text chat? Seriously?

Why are you still making such a big deal out of that, seriously? I mean, get over it already, I know I have! Besides, friend codes are still friend codes, and they pale in comparison to just making your own username, and having 5 different codes for 5 different games gets quite tedious.

But I suppose I'm just being a nansy wahh-nsy right now, tally ho!

 

[XMark]

I don't think they'll be dropping optical discs for next generation, but the next one is probably going to be the last. The next generation will definitely have much larger hard drives because digital distribution will be in much more use, while not completely replacing physical games.

And I think it's gonna be Blu-Ray again, since games today haven't really taken advantage of the full storage capacity of Blu-Ray yet. The drives will read faster than the PS3 drive, though.

On the graphics end, true, we are pretty close to photorealistic already but there's still a fair amount of room for improvement over this generation. Compare any PS3 or 360 game to Crysis running max settings on a really good computer and you'll see that there is still at least one big leap in graphic quality left to make. And don't forget about physics, which are playing a bigger and bigger role in games these days and requiring more processing power. Same with enemy AI. So this generation's days are numbered, and eventually a new generation of consoles will be necessary - in hardware terms, you could say that higher-end gaming PCs are already a generation ahead.

I think that by the year 2013 we'll see the next generation of consoles hit the market. That's enough time for the 360 and PS3 to play around with their motion control things before aiming for a new console. Though if anyone's going to do it earlier it'll be Nintendo, because the Wii is a bit behind in technology at the moment.