Cartoons CAN be Mature!

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Thaius

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Yeah. This is why people like anime; Japan, unlike the vast majority of people in the west (the only exceptions are Pixar's films, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Batman: The Animated Series, and possibly a few others), sees animation as the legitimate storytelling medium it is. Of course cartoons can be mature; there is absolutely no inherent reason why they cannot. It just takes a culture with a shred of artistic sensibility to see it.
 

Trogdor1138

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I don't think anybody around here would argue that...

Also, blood and such does not equal maturity, it just equals a higher rating. Just saying.
 

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I've just thought of an example that no one has mentioned, captain scarlet the puppet version has a reasonably large amount of violence and some truely dark moments that deal with interesting subject matter.

The mysterons routinely kill people and somtimes even succeed with thier overall plans, they use extremely underhanded tactics like suicide bombers and stealing nuclear weapons, there is also a heavy blend of science fact/fiction that gets thrown in, in one instance a guy gets irridiated so they track him down with gieger counters. Alot of the terms and themes used in each episode would go right over the heads of most kids.
 

Vault101

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cartoons dont have to be bloody and violent to be mature

take Batman the naimated Series...or Daria BAM there you go

basically its still ingrained in western audiences public concious, most people know otherwise, though "mature" cartoons in that sense arnt "as" mainstream
 

briunj04

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Buy a DVD from a computer art festival like Siggraph. Pretty much everything on it is a cartoon, and they're about as artsy and philosophical as you can get.
 

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NightmareLuna said:
My Little Pony - Friendship is Magic. Mature is not only blood, violence and seriousness. MLP is a very mature show. :D
Buh-wha!? Urgh....you really think MLP is MATURE!? You know what i think about that response?


OT: As for animation being Mature, i'd definitely say Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker (Yes, that is no coincidence). It's pretty damned dark in some parts to say the least..i'd also recommend Cowboy bebop, it's another good example of a mature show as is Batman the Animated series.
 

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FACT: There is anime that is more gory then the goriest movie, and there is anime that is more sexual and disturbing then the hardest core porn. Every time I hear someone say anime is for kids, my first thought is 'Wow, this person has a weak stomach. lol'.
 

Reaper195

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Mature cartoons are mature. Kiddy cartoons older people watch and say 'but it's mature' are not mature. You know what I'm talking about, don't pussyfoot around the Pony bullshit.
 

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Fanta Grape said:
and yes. But then again, every thread is repeated in the escapist. "Your avatar is now...", "Is it just me or...", "Why do people like...", etc.
I LOST FAITH IN HUMANITY.... AGAIN! :p
 

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It's just prejudice. A lot of cartoons are for children so people think every cartoon is for children.
I mean if you look in the American Dad, Family guy, Futurama and Drawn Together corner, you have some examples of adult cartoons. If you look at animes those are even intended for teenagers, not for children.

NightmareLuna said:
My Little Pony - Friendship is Magic. Mature is not only blood, violence and seriousness. MLP is a very mature show. :D
There is a lot of stuff children won't get. The "spiked bowle", X-men references, Final fantasy fighting music etc. as well as character deapth that I didn't expect in the show. The developers still claim that it was their intention to make the show appealing to adults (parents) as well.
I Think it's a fine exapmle of how even a cartoon that is mainly aimed at children can be enjoiable for adults as well.
 

ShindoL Shill

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Drakmeire said:
Watership Down are very mature movies aimed at children.
not going to disagree with the whole 'maturity' thing but i dont think its aimed at kids.
The_root_of_all_evil said:


Still upsets me 30 years later.
it doesnt affect me as much because i read the books and never saw the film.
thank god.

but 'cartoons' are generally aimed at kids. animated shows can be aimed at anyone.
 

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Fanta Grape said:
Ashannon Blackthorn said:
It's just a medium. Look up Bakshi or half the Studio Ghibi lineup and you can see it's all not just kiddie fluff.
Grave of the Fireflies. Sigh.

No_Remainders said:
I swear a thread identical to this was done quite literally last week.
and yes. But then again, every thread is repeated in the escapist. "Your avatar is now...", "Is it just me or...", "Why do people like...", etc.
Every forum ever repeats threads. The Escapist is hardly any different.

OT: The reason why is namely because of the rise of television animation in the 50s and 60s a time known as the "Dark Age of Animation", due to very strict censors trying to be family friendly, as well as the collapse of theatrical animated shorts (which were made for adults as well as children; while heavily dealing in slapstick, there were often mature themes like alcohol, tobacco and, in some rare cases, suicide). This has resulted in the "Animation Age Ghetto" as TV Tropes likes to call it. To make a long story short, full-quality animation was expensive, but limited, low quality animation was not. This was perfect for TV, as it was even cheaper than live action, and since they figured "kids don't know what quality is", that's where most limited animation productions should aim for. And since then, animation producers basically started aiming for kids, making merchandise driven series that would almost guarantee a profit, especially in toy sales.

This is becoming less prevalent nowadays, especially since television standards have loosened, and producers realized that the parents often stuck watching these cartoons were an audience in and of themselves. Then, they started branching out again, and thus, for the most part, the Ghetto has crumbled, though there are plenty of people who feel that it's still "kiddy" stuff, or that even animation supposedly targeted towards adults is still "immature", due to the more outrageous and downright silly nature of some animated comedies (Family Guy, Metalocalypse, Squidbillies and South Park are some cited examples by others' words, not mine).

This phenomenon is not unlike the way comic books are seen as children's stories by some nowadays; the Golden Age of Comics featured some rather harsh things (Batman's debut issue had him kick a man into a vat of acid, and some comics had him use a gun), but when the Comics Code began to bear down on darker elements, the Silver Age was ushered in, and almost exclusively targeted children. This also occurred in the 50s and 60s, so it's certainly no coincidence. In the 70s, things loosened, and well, that turns into it's own story there.

TL;DR: The 50s and 60s were not kind to animation or comic books, therefore the "kiddy" conception that people have today.
 

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Soviet Heavy said:
scarfacetehstag said:
everyone is ignoring that hes citing watchmen, a graphic novel, as an example of mature cartoon?
This came from Watchmen? I just found this on youtube. How are they connected?
Yup!

The Tale of the Black Freighter is a comic within a comic, a twisted, dark representation of Ozymandias internal journey.

Also, in the 80s, there was a show called Exo-Squad. The bad guys set up concentration camps and dumped humans into the sun, and the main characters attempt genocide. And this was a Saturday Morning Cartoon.
 

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Err who say cartoon are for kids these days? Mature cartoon existed years ago like e.g. the more adult shows like South Park and Family Guy (since kid would not get some of the references).
I suppose better examples would be Afro Samurai, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Grave of the Fireflies and maybe Toy Story 3 (it had a mature undertone of life and death).
 

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The Spawn Animated Series is also for adults. It's not very good animated but then again it's from the nineties.