Catherine Publisher Talks About Covering Up Game's Risque Art

CommanderKirov

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The one thing I cannot believe...

People are getting up and arms about the fact that the game promotional material is censored?

Cannot we all get focused on you know... The game parts of the game instead of "How much of teh sex" is on the cover?
 

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ramox said:
You see, where i live people like the ones you discribe exist too. The ones which for some odd reason have issues with displayed (or even suggested) sexuality.
The big difference though is, here they are not the braud majority. They are a bunch of old people which didn't notice that a new decade has started or misguided feminists. In america it is a widely accepted and even supported standard.

I would assume the reason for that is simply because somehow that prude mindset was enforced for so long that people started to see it as normal. So much so that no one even questiones the status quo. Because, "no tits on the cover, so what?" Right?
That my friend is how non-chance happens.

And about your question at the end. That is the difference i talk about at the begin. Your average mom (maybe not grandma, but that depends) wouldn't even ask for an explanation. Son boys a game about sex? k, cool, whatever.
See where i'm getting at?
But the problem is in the ambiguity. If it's not universally socially acceptable, chances are you shouldn't push it for the time being. Times will change and so will people's opinions on what is and isn't socially acceptable. I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from people aren't exactly very smart or accepting. I personally don't think it's worth it to offend them for no reason (even if they shouldn't be offended in the first place) when you could easily edit the image and make it fine. I honestly believe that in 50 years or so everyone will look back at the fact that we felt the need to censor this and laugh about it but right now there's no reason to be upset when something like this happens. You can still buy a game with the original art so there isn't a problem.
 

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Honestly! WHY SO MANY NEWS POSTS ABOUT A GAME ABOUT SEX WITH POTENTIAL NUDITY??!!

I mean it was already weird at first, but now 20 news posts about it later... Well, it's a LOT weirder.

Seriously guys, WTF?
 

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ugh, so how long will it be before Catherine gets labeled as a sex/rape simulator?

Seriously, the game is probably the freshest most original thing to come out in a while and im afraid it might get diced by the media. :\
Similar accusations to the above didn't stop Mass Effect from being a best seller (hell, Fox claimed those accusations along with the originator). There's no such thing as bad publicity as they say [besides, I didn't see any pedophilia claims for Disgaea just because the 3 main characters are the netherworld equivalent to early teens (for those not in the know, the disgaea exchange rate from human to demon\angel is 1=100, a 1 year old human is equal in age to a 100 year old demon), so I don't think a similarly obscure game like Catherine would gain them].
 

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ramox said:
acsoundwave said:
Not "America", but Wal-Mart & K-Mart: they have to stock the game.

(captcha: ecomagination...?)
...just, no.

It's not Wal-Mart or the like. It is indeed a US thing. And one that will never cease to baffle me.
Nowhere else nudity and sexuality are regarded as less apropriate for minors than any kind of violence.

so yeah:
GrizzlerBorno said:
Some day America will stop being such a Hypocritical prude.....
Really just a US thing?
Funny as we aren't the ones banning Dead or Alive: Dimensions over less.
 

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I guess what I just dont get about this game is the sex appeal that's always talked about. I don't find anything about it that attractive or sexy, girls look gaunt and lifeless- far more creepy than anything else.
 

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ProfessorLayton said:
...it's just a little too much, in my opinion.

There is a difference and if you disagree, then I want you to think of watching movies with your parents. I can bet that you'll be fine through all the violence, but the minute a sex scene shows up you'll start feeling uncomfortable.
A little snipping for brevity, but I am addressing your entire comment.

Your opinion and that discomfort of watching sexual content with parents or other authority figures is a cultural artifact. It's a commonly held belief (whether or not it's actually true, I can't say for certain, not having experienced it myself) that in European cultures sexuality and sexual imagery is not as frowned upon and most people have more liberal attitudes about it.

The fact that you contrast watching violence or sexuality that way with your parents really shows your cultural bias. Your society has said "violence is ok, sexuality is not". You might think nothing of watching a TV show where a man is murdered by being shot. Where that man is shown being shot, bleeding, possibly treated in an ER before finally succumbing to a fatal, criminal action. At the same time, a pair of breasts on the same screen can make you squirm if your parents are watching with you.

When and why did violence become more culturally acceptable than sexuality? Humans are capable of both, yet one is demonized, one is glorified.

ProfessorLayton said:
If it's not universally socially acceptable, chances are you shouldn't push it for the time being. Times will change and so will people's opinions on what is and isn't socially acceptable. I don't know where you're from, but where I'm from people aren't exactly very smart or accepting. I personally don't think it's worth it to offend them for no reason (even if they shouldn't be offended in the first place) when you could easily edit the image and make it fine. I honestly believe that in 50 years or so everyone will look back at the fact that we felt the need to censor this and laugh about it but right now there's no reason to be upset when something like this happens. You can still buy a game with the original art so there isn't a problem.
I understand that you actually do seem to have a more liberal and mature view, but at the same time, your attitude of "wait for the change to happen" will have us perpetually waiting for change. Change has to come from somewhere, somehow. If that means pushing the boundaries of "good taste", exposing people to sexuality in ways they may not be comfortable with and normalizing sexuality instead of hiding it away and painting it as somehow harmful, then that's what needs to happen. If people aren't exposed to sexuality in a positive way (i.e. not harmful, not criminal) attitudes will never change.

In the scheme of things, changing the box art is not an earthshaking event. On the other hand, it gives the conservative mindset, the ignorant, the fearful power over what other consenting adults can and cannot view. Sure, there is the "what about the children angle", but it's up to parents to control what their children are exposed to to some degree while at the same time educating and preparing them for the times when they are not under parental supervision. We can't shelter our children until the age of 21 and then thrust them into the adult world with no exposure to adult situations and materials and expect them to be able to deal with things like sexuality in a thoughtful, mature and positive manner.

In the end, the box art change says that a certain mindset still has the power to rule over everyone, regardless of whether or not we all agree with that mindset. It takes away the power of choice, which in my opinion is never a good thing. I'm glad that the option to buy the racier versions in N. America is still available for those who choose it.
 

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i read somewhere a while ago that the covers were changed for some retailers only, the rest will still have the original japanese covers.
 

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It's a miracle in itself that the game is actually launching here, but this whole box art thing is rather silly.

I thought it was rather obvious to the retailers what they were getting into, but I guess not.
 

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Zac Smith said:
Try again, that's not the US boxart. This is:
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2009/02/xblades_north_american.jpg

Anyway, I'll just go to Amazon where I buy my games anyway and get a choice of what art I want. HINT: It won't be the censored one.
Well I guess that's the difference between me here in the UK and you in the States then, seems we're little more laid back here
 

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Already had mine imported. Though i'll most likely get an english version, slap on the japanese cover, and give the japanese game to my friend and just keep the english version.
 

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Zac Smith said:
mjc0961 said:
Zac Smith said:
Try again, that's not the US boxart. This is:
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2009/02/xblades_north_american.jpg

Anyway, I'll just go to Amazon where I buy my games anyway and get a choice of what art I want. HINT: It won't be the censored one.
Well I guess that's the difference between me here in the UK and you in the States then, seems we're little more laid back here
Nah, I wouldn't say that. Remember Ubisoft's We Dare? Remember how people in the UK made such a huge stink over it that Ubisoft decided not to release the game there? [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/108368-Ubisoft-Cancels-U-K-Release-of-We-Dare] You guys over there can be just as prudish as people here sometimes. More actually, because We Dare wasn't anywhere near as bad as the Catherine box art (not that I personally think the Catherine box art is bad, but at least I can see why some people would want it censored).
 

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Why don't they just make it reversible? Close up image on the outside, original on the inside. That's solve the problem nicely.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
playing an Atlus game on an Xbox would feel...WRONG.
Wrong is not the word just downright unthinkable and horrifying is what id say I just cant imigine it off a Sony system.


OT: Im excited for this game and getting the Love is Over Version and I find this whole show all the gore and brutality but give any sexualized showing and OH GOD THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
 

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Hulyen said:
Why don't they just make it reversible? Close up image on the outside, original on the inside. That's solve the problem nicely.
360 and PS3 cases are see-through, especially the PS3 ones. People would open their game and see the uncensored artwork, and some of those people would then proceed to flip their shit over a little cleavage or some butt.

Veldie said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
playing an Atlus game on an Xbox would feel...WRONG.
Wrong is not the word just downright unthinkable and horrifying is what id say I just cant imigine it off a Sony system.
So you've never played any of the Trauma Center games? For shame, sir. For shame. Go find the nearest Wii you can use and start playing.
 

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I'm sure someone already said it, but this has been known for a while. This is NOT what the box art has been changed to. It's just the way it's being used at certain retailers.

The original cover art with the game is still obtainable.
 

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RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Seriously? I find that laughable. Having a gruff looking middle aged guy pointing a sawed off shotgun at people from a poster is okay, but a hint of sexuality? Gah, offensive! Go away!
Well that's America for you,violence is ok but the second we get to sex it's time to break out the crosses and holy water. I personally pre ordered the Love is Over edition,which most likely will have the regular box art. It's a nice package and I'm glad that Atlus made the box art more accessible to most Americans.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
Tempted to get the 360 version for a K boxart.

But playing an Atlus game on an Xbox would feel...WRONG.
Heh, I'd get it on 360 given the choice. Unfortunately the 360 version will probably be region locked, so PS3 version it is, regardless.

To be honest, I don't think the censored version of the cover looks that bad despite it being censored. Eitherway as long as the game is untouched, who cares about the artwork.