Censorship
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I'm for some censorship, but everyone knows that as soon as you allow some, it goes to absurd levels.
I'm for it because people are more likely to believe the false, idiotic scare stories than actual fact. If it's against the law to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, why isn't it against the law to yell "Cancer!" on the front page of Time?
I'm for it because people are more likely to believe the false, idiotic scare stories than actual fact. If it's against the law to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, why isn't it against the law to yell "Cancer!" on the front page of Time?
I agree with the everything or nothing post. My reasoning stems from a hatred of people. Peopel are stupid. They lie, to everyone.
People cant be trusted to know what actually offends them, or what offends them because it offends other people. And because of that nothing should be censored. People that are offended by say racial jokes, dont look at them and if you here them, it's a fucking joke.
or that comic that sparked all the controversy the one about the prophet muhammad, I understand it's your version of jesus, but who cares, get over it.
it gets to the point where if we censor things, we will eventually get the that V for Vendetta state where our news is censored form things the government would think would up set us, or spark rebellion. I'ts about control, if we censor we control. ANd that kind of control isn't good.
People cant be trusted to know what actually offends them, or what offends them because it offends other people. And because of that nothing should be censored. People that are offended by say racial jokes, dont look at them and if you here them, it's a fucking joke.
or that comic that sparked all the controversy the one about the prophet muhammad, I understand it's your version of jesus, but who cares, get over it.
it gets to the point where if we censor things, we will eventually get the that V for Vendetta state where our news is censored form things the government would think would up set us, or spark rebellion. I'ts about control, if we censor we control. ANd that kind of control isn't good.
I'm not pro censorship but I believe that, realistically, we need it to some extent and in a controlled measure. It's ridiculous to suppose that just allowing everything in an environment would grant better results than if there were minimal regulations.
I need but two words drive my point home: Child Porn.
I rest my case.
I need but two words drive my point home: Child Porn.
I rest my case.
Censorship, but to a minimum. By this, I'd like that only things like Child Porn and the like are censored, while everything else that could be considered offensive is rated.
Unfortunately, humanity doesn't work like that, and and any censorship leads to a lot of censorship. My only wish is that we're censored by people like us, not moral busy bodies, and not an idiot. Again, unfortunately, humanity doesn't work that way.
Edit: Alcohlol... my new word of the day.
Unfortunately, humanity doesn't work like that, and and any censorship leads to a lot of censorship. My only wish is that we're censored by people like us, not moral busy bodies, and not an idiot. Again, unfortunately, humanity doesn't work that way.
Edit: Alcohlol... my new word of the day.
But that's a social dialect. Not part of any medium per se. We joke about such things to understand them or becuse people are pretty sick and glad it's not happening to us.galletea post=18.72819.774146 said:
Stuff like sex & violence in games etc. should be labled as such and sold accordingly.
I regard your argument misinformed.mark_n_b post=18.72819.782715 said:
As to argument one:
Do you really think just the fact something is (or actually only COULD BE) regarded as insulting to just ANYONE should be censored? Because, frankly, I don't. The reasons is simple: If regulations were like that, practically EVERYTHING should be censored, because anyone could be offended by anything. You know, besides green lawns with flowers, which aren't that entertaining in the long run.
Do I think that makes all jokes about, say, child abuse non-offensive? Course not. But I think that should be an issue of common sense and not government legislation. That should completely suffice, and in most cases does.
As for argument number two: I see your point, and I can't whole-heartedly disagree with it. But then again, I DO think the public could handle most of that alone. You don't need any state body to ban it, because most people (especially those in charge in, say, the media) will find it offensive, disgusting and will dismiss it anyway. As for the dickheads spreading it: You can't really help them anyway. Censorship is only giving them a feeling of justification, as you can see in all the right-wing hate blogs boosting ther egos on how opressed they are. Boohoo.
To make my point: I think most people can make their choices alone, and good choices at that, thank you very much. And you should never underestimate, to give it a little edge, peer pressure: There's always outspoken and socially powerful people who carry most other people with them. As far as the remaining dickehad minority is concerned... as tough as it is, we'll have to live with them, protect ourselves from them and punish them if they do happen to harm other people. It's sad they're around, but then again, censorship will never make them go away or prevent them from getting that way in the first place.
As for child or snuff porn: It's actually a good example to show the difference between censorship and just plain common sense lawmaking and law enforcement. Innocent people are harmed, actually SEVERELY HARMED making this stuff. It's a good thing preventing this from happening to them, and it's a good thing trying to dry out the market for it by punshing everyone for helping its makers make a profit. That's NOT censorship. Censorship is when you ban things that you only think will harm people LOOOKING at it, for whatever reason.
And I don't think age ratings aren really censorship either, if they're carried out in a sensible way - because most people will still be able to watch/listen to/etc. stuff that's been given the highest rating.
And that was a long post, I apologize.
Oh, and one more thing: At any rate, censorship will always go bad in some way. In Germany, for instance, the swastika is forbidden. Good sense, right? But get this: ANY showing of it was/is ILLEGAL, including those intended to show objection to it. Not long ago, a German online shop had to defend itself up to the highest court for selling badges like this:
They won in the end... but it's just ridiculous how long it took them and how much money it cost them.
You're just talking about people being dicks toward each other. Censorship would be a regional or nationwide ban on something that the 'powers that be' decide is too horrible for everyone to see, eg. the film board deciding that someone being decapitated is too much for anyone over 18 to witness. I personally find films such as Sex and the City more offensive because it insults my intelligence. Fuck the censors. They have NO RIGHT to tell me what I can or cannot watch.mark_n_b post=18.72819.782715 said:
I dislike the paternalistic attitude that says "I know what your kids need to be protected from." There is a lengthy argument which says this is a bad idea, but the point is that people are better off being exposed to things, and rejecting them on their own accord, than keeping it away from them entirely. Who's better equipped to survive: someone who's lived "in the world" all their life, and has an immune system which is already equipped to handle all the crud we expose ourselves to when we touch a doorknob, or someone who's lived their entire life in a sterile environment?
Censors are often trying to implement a sterile environment. It's futile, and even harmful in some situations. Please, treat us like adults. We'll make our own decisions.
Censors are often trying to implement a sterile environment. It's futile, and even harmful in some situations. Please, treat us like adults. We'll make our own decisions.
Common sense cannot be legalised; because paradoxically it blocks the common sense not to do it.
Let Adults make up their own minds about things, but first, give them the education to be able to make an informed decision, rather than just the "right" one.
That means even handed discussion about everything, including paedophilia, nazism and every other 'bad' thing. They may be, and probably are, evil and wrong; but let's at least all understand why.
Let Adults make up their own minds about things, but first, give them the education to be able to make an informed decision, rather than just the "right" one.
That means even handed discussion about everything, including paedophilia, nazism and every other 'bad' thing. They may be, and probably are, evil and wrong; but let's at least all understand why.