Is it too much to ask for Square to try to come with new ideas instead of releasing from established franchises? The last Square game I actually liked was The World Ends With You.
CEO: Square Enix Has Become "Weaker Than Expected"
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Maybe working on their flagship franchise, making it good again and taking a back to basics approach might help.
I don't even know what I want from Square anymore, to be honest. Compelling new content, instead of constant remakes, I guess, but when I try to define the difference between compelling new content and crap, I honestly stumble into a wall. What would a fresh, GOOD Final Fantasy look like? Or just any RPG? They don't want to (or just can't) take time on story or environment anymore, it seems. Personally, I think that's a huge issue for their genres. I really feel like if we can't get passed the "everything must be max resolution/max detail" stage, studios like Square can't appeal to their audience.
Being a story and exploration gamer, I wish we could get past this. I DEFINITELY enjoy me some pretty games. Pretty is definitely pretty, but if time spent on Pretty takes away from Fun or even Interesting, count me out.
I miss the PS2 generation. Or even just give me PS1 graphics with enough anti-aliasing that the world isn't built of triangles. Whatever it takes to get story and exploration back in with my combat and customization. I'm tired of games that feel like half their soul is missing.
Being a story and exploration gamer, I wish we could get past this. I DEFINITELY enjoy me some pretty games. Pretty is definitely pretty, but if time spent on Pretty takes away from Fun or even Interesting, count me out.
I miss the PS2 generation. Or even just give me PS1 graphics with enough anti-aliasing that the world isn't built of triangles. Whatever it takes to get story and exploration back in with my combat and customization. I'm tired of games that feel like half their soul is missing.
Me thinks their is too much focus on quantity here over quality. Really, was anyone begging for a sequel to FF XIII? I didn't even like the game. This could go the dangerous route FF X-2 went.
It's going to take a lot of effort on the part of Square to make fans care agains. Releasing sequels people actually want. While releasing old games isn't a good long term strategy it could boost some early capital. People have been begging you for FFVII. You are really going to ignore that sweet cash smell?
It's going to take a lot of effort on the part of Square to make fans care agains. Releasing sequels people actually want. While releasing old games isn't a good long term strategy it could boost some early capital. People have been begging you for FFVII. You are really going to ignore that sweet cash smell?
I think the Squeenix devs need to be more honest with themselves about the quality of the games they make, If you went to work and new what you were doing sucked and could be better, and you get paid all the same to make it better... then just make it better.
I think All new games that have fresh ideas, should have a very early public test build of the game with a large multiple choice questionnaire on the end something akin to the lost planet 1 demo where people voted what they liked and didn't. I think they voted in a melee attack for the player character.
However when making an Ip, just make a test demo build, don't worry about the story, let your consumers kick the tires a bit before hand, take in their take on it and better tool you're game. I mean just because games are now art, they aren't like films or books, you have to listen to your buyers, because they are playing it.
Devs have free reign on the plot and characters, and mechanics, but if you let us tell you they movement feels bad, and the camera sucks at the get go, then you have months ahead of you to nip those problems in the bud.
Say if there was a test build of ff 13 Im sure people would have been like," the combat system is weak sauce, and they leveling is bland"
I think All new games that have fresh ideas, should have a very early public test build of the game with a large multiple choice questionnaire on the end something akin to the lost planet 1 demo where people voted what they liked and didn't. I think they voted in a melee attack for the player character.
However when making an Ip, just make a test demo build, don't worry about the story, let your consumers kick the tires a bit before hand, take in their take on it and better tool you're game. I mean just because games are now art, they aren't like films or books, you have to listen to your buyers, because they are playing it.
Devs have free reign on the plot and characters, and mechanics, but if you let us tell you they movement feels bad, and the camera sucks at the get go, then you have months ahead of you to nip those problems in the bud.
Say if there was a test build of ff 13 Im sure people would have been like," the combat system is weak sauce, and they leveling is bland"
We have been told that it is technically impossible to remake FF7. I don't know what the deal is with that though, but if they spent all the development time and resources that they did on those not-so-good mmo games on actually remaking FF7, they will make a ton of cash baby!
I have been dreaming and obsessing of a FF7 remake since the launch of the PS2......
Just one thing. If they make FF7, they should make it a PS3 exclusive so that the development of the game won't be hindered by cross-platform woes.
I have been dreaming and obsessing of a FF7 remake since the launch of the PS2......
Just one thing. If they make FF7, they should make it a PS3 exclusive so that the development of the game won't be hindered by cross-platform woes.
How Sqaure can make a good game again:
1. Get your house in order. Final Fantasy 13 and 14 makes in pretty evident that the different departments have poor communications amongst each other. This ends up in a convoluted crap pile of a game.
2. Go remake Final Fantasy VI and VII current gen to remember what good JRPG's were like.
3. Quit messing with the formula. Oh, tweak it. Find ways to make it more engaging, but don't scrap it. How do you think Nintendo still makes money hand over fist with characters that are over 20 years old on a crap system? Because they improve on them. They don't give Mario a rifle and try to make a half ass shooter out of it.
4. Fire your story writers. Get ones that can make sort of sense, and not babble on like some elder god cultist.
5. You are not allowed to use apostrophes in names of anything, unless it's simply to show possession (like Death's Knell, or Fisherman's Coast, ect.) No more Xi'tah, Vi'rah, Yure'mah'mah, or what have you. Never. Ever. Again. Hopefully that would be partially fixed by
#4.
6. If your graphic designers say they can't do something (like make a city in current gen) tell them you're sure there are plenty of promising young graphic designers that would LOOOOVE to give it a shot.
7. Anti social emo characters can make interesting side characters (Auron, Vincent, ect.) You want to figure out what makes them tick. They do not make interesting MAIN characters. Why? That would be because THEY ARE ANTI SOCIAL and have to usually be goaded into advancing the plot, usually by an annoyingly positive female character, that for some reason, despite that guy being more or less a absolute dick to her, insists on being his love interest.
8. Quit having main character love interests that, for some reason, despite the main character being more or less a dick to them, insist on being the main character's love interest.
9. Use 1-shot new IP's for experimenting with game mechanics and such. If they end up being a hit, you can integrate it in future versions of your stable IPs. If it ends up sucking royally, you don't tarnish your stable IP's name with it.
10. A RPG should be a vast world, seemingly teeming with life. Not sterile corridor after corridor of pretty lights and graphics.
1. Get your house in order. Final Fantasy 13 and 14 makes in pretty evident that the different departments have poor communications amongst each other. This ends up in a convoluted crap pile of a game.
2. Go remake Final Fantasy VI and VII current gen to remember what good JRPG's were like.
3. Quit messing with the formula. Oh, tweak it. Find ways to make it more engaging, but don't scrap it. How do you think Nintendo still makes money hand over fist with characters that are over 20 years old on a crap system? Because they improve on them. They don't give Mario a rifle and try to make a half ass shooter out of it.
4. Fire your story writers. Get ones that can make sort of sense, and not babble on like some elder god cultist.
5. You are not allowed to use apostrophes in names of anything, unless it's simply to show possession (like Death's Knell, or Fisherman's Coast, ect.) No more Xi'tah, Vi'rah, Yure'mah'mah, or what have you. Never. Ever. Again. Hopefully that would be partially fixed by
#4.
6. If your graphic designers say they can't do something (like make a city in current gen) tell them you're sure there are plenty of promising young graphic designers that would LOOOOVE to give it a shot.
7. Anti social emo characters can make interesting side characters (Auron, Vincent, ect.) You want to figure out what makes them tick. They do not make interesting MAIN characters. Why? That would be because THEY ARE ANTI SOCIAL and have to usually be goaded into advancing the plot, usually by an annoyingly positive female character, that for some reason, despite that guy being more or less a absolute dick to her, insists on being his love interest.
8. Quit having main character love interests that, for some reason, despite the main character being more or less a dick to them, insist on being the main character's love interest.
9. Use 1-shot new IP's for experimenting with game mechanics and such. If they end up being a hit, you can integrate it in future versions of your stable IPs. If it ends up sucking royally, you don't tarnish your stable IP's name with it.
10. A RPG should be a vast world, seemingly teeming with life. Not sterile corridor after corridor of pretty lights and graphics.
Umm heres an idea. make some more kingdom hearts...and re-release ff7. Ummm there ya go. I mean i didn't go to marketing college or nuthin but just give the ppl what they want. Oh and if you have time some parasite eve would be appreciated.
I guess the lesson learned here is when you start to prioritize profit over customer's ideas, suggestions and feedback, you become weaker.
Revamp what most people here have said and throw in some Mana series reboots. Seriously, any Mana game would probably be epic if done right.
Revamp what most people here have said and throw in some Mana series reboots. Seriously, any Mana game would probably be epic if done right.
That is quite unfortunate, I suppose. I'm certainly not square's biggest fan, but I still wouldn't wish people losing their jobs, or for a company to go out of business. I personally won't be giving them any of my money in the foreseeable future (buying Deus Ex used), but I still hope they manage to turn their act around. Less games like FF13/14 and Last Remnant, more games like the old school Final fantasy tactics and you may get a customer out of me once more.
0_o Why? XIII was their fastest selling game ever.Genixma said:
Also, I think they're doing a good job trying to branch out. I'm especially impressed with how they releases FFIII is perfect form on iOS, that could really give them a boost if they start doing high quality mobiles games like that.
They really just gotta get their development under control, 5+ years is way too long, and it really sounds like they have some management troubles.
IDK about firing Nomorua, but he definitely needs to stop designing characters in Final Fantasy. I mean look at Snow from FFXIII the man lives on a beach, a damned beach yet he wears a trench coat and snow cap. What?WilliamRLBaker said:
Also if Square Enix has become weaker than expected, looks like some one needs to cast protect.
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