Uh, there's a pretty big correlation. A person is a lot more likely to be unhappy if they're dying of cancer and can't pay for treatment, or if they and their children are starving. Misery through chemical imbalance can affect anyone yes. And millionaires feeling bad about "relative poverty" compared to their neighbors happens. But to say that there's no difference in the likelihood of happiness between people who can't afford basic necessities like food and shelter and those who enjoy all the luxuries and material security in life is absurd.Blood Brain Barrier said:Privilege doesn't mean anything for how good your life is. Poor people can be miserable, rich people can be miserable, there's no correlation.
There is a significant correlation - otherwise the privilege would be nonexistent - but this correlation is not perfect. Privilege of any kind only increases the likelihood of you having a good life, but this likelihood is not equal to 100%, i.e. you are not garanteed to have a good life.Blood Brain Barrier said:Privilege doesn't mean anything for how good your life is. Poor people can be miserable, rich people can be miserable, there's no correlation.
I suppose I misinterpreted what it was saying. I agree with you we should be aware of this stuff and we should acknowledge that people dont have the same chances as others but as I and you said we should not feel guilty or responsibileRatty said:I'm not (and that quote is not) suggesting you should feel guilty about other people's racism, or atrocities committed by previous generations. The suggestion is that you should be aware of the bigotry of others and not let it slide because it doesn't affect you or your group. That's what "checking your privilege" is about. Recognizing and calling out bigotry that does not affect you or even benefits you/your group. Like a lot of straight people who never stop to think about how much being denied equal marriage rights effects the lives of LGBTs, because their marriage rights aren't in question. I don't think most of these people are trying to be mean, they just don't think. They never consider or "check" their privileged position in society.shootthebandit said:This is bullshit. Why should I feel guilty a) for being born a certain skin colour and b) for working hard mon-fri to get the lifestyle I want?Ratty said:"Things like racism are institutionalized. You might not know any bigots. You feel like ?well I don?t hate black people so I?m not a racist,? but you benefit from racism. Just by the merit, the color of your skin. The opportunities that you have, you?re privileged in ways that you might not even realize because you haven?t been deprived of certain things. We need to talk about these things in order for them to change." - Dave Chappelle
Yeah I heard about this joke-quiz a while back. But privilege is a real thing, and people should be aware of it and not mocked for talking about it. The above quote that I just saw recently encapsulates why very well.
Complaining about racism then forcing people to feel responsible for something they have no part in purely because of thier skin colour is a tad hypocritical. I live in the UK where weve never had slavery and weve never forced black people to use separate facilities. Also this mainly happened years ago, im pretty sure young germans dont feel guilty for the holocaust (yes these things should be remembered and we should be grateful for what we have but we should never feel guilty)
Racism is a dreadful thing but I dont feel in anyway guilty. I feel sorry for victims of racism but im not taking responsibility for it
Just as a side note I heard from an Israeli man some time ago that when he was in school they went on a field trip to German concentration camp sites with German students. And at that point the German kids felt guilty and the Israli kids felt like victims. Which I found incredibly fucked up and unnecessary, since it was obviously the intention of such a mash up, but there you go. Some people are trying to propagate these hatreds and guilts for things done by our long dead ancestors, but that's not what this is about.
Hey remember that thing that involved making assumptions about a person based on the colour of their skin or the gender. Wasn't that thing bad? hmmm what were they called again? Oh that's right Racism/Sexism.CloudAtlas said:They don't realize that claiming that their life sucking even though they're white/straigh/male/etc disproves the existence of privilege is about as legit as some dude claiming that because he's shorter than most of the women he knows, women would be on average taller then men...
Not necessarily. Nowadays it's actually far easier for poor people to get fat than it is for rich people. Gym memberships cost money (and if you're poor, personal trainers are not even an option). Sports equipment costs money. Healthy food is more expensive than non-healthy food.The Lunatic said:"I have never felt overweight or underweight or ?too skinny.?"
Apparently the simple act of actually taking care of your body is a form of privilege.
Shouldn't fat people be more privileged as they have the luxury of having eaten so much food?
What are you implying here? That actual privileges (like being white or male) don't exist, and thus aren't a problem for those who don't have it?wulf3n said:Hey remember that thing that involved making assumptions about a person based on the colour of their skin or the gender. Wasn't that thing bad? hmmm what were they called again? Oh that's right Racism/Sexism.CloudAtlas said:They don't realize that claiming that their life sucking even though they're white/straigh/male/etc disproves the existence of privilege is about as legit as some dude claiming that because he's shorter than most of the women he knows, women would be on average taller then men...
That's the problem with "privilege" as it is used today. It's not about actual privilege, it's about the perceived privileges based on prejudicial stereotypes.
Being fat has pretty much nothing to do with what you eat, it's about how much of it you are eating.XMark said:Not necessarily. Nowadays it's actually far easier for poor people to get fat than it is for rich people. Gym memberships cost money (and if you're poor, personal trainers are not even an option). Sports equipment costs money. Healthy food is more expensive than non-healthy food.
Yes, there are ways around that. There are low-cost ways to eat healthy and get excercise, but it's definitely much more difficult than it would be if you had more money.
No, what I'm implying is that said privileges aren't linked to being a white male. That said privileges can be held by non white males, and likewise often aren't held by white males.CloudAtlas said:What are you implying here? That actual privileges (like being white or male) don't exist, and thus aren't a problem for those who don't have it?
Uhm I'm sure the privilege of being white is pretty linked to white males. White women obviously enjoy the same privilege, but anyone else does not. Hence the name. Of course they might or might not enjoy other privileges.wulf3n said:No, what I'm implying is that said privileges aren't linked to being a white male. That said privileges can be held by non white males, and likewise often aren't held by white males.CloudAtlas said:What are you implying here? That actual privileges (like being white or male) don't exist, and thus aren't a problem for those who don't have it?
The opposite is true. Being fat has way more to do with what you eat than how much you eat of it. If you avoid animal products, than it really doesn't matter how much you eat, you won't get fat easily.The Lunatic said:Being fat has pretty much nothing to do with what you eat, it's about how much of it you are eating.XMark said:Not necessarily. Nowadays it's actually far easier for poor people to get fat than it is for rich people. Gym memberships cost money (and if you're poor, personal trainers are not even an option). Sports equipment costs money. Healthy food is more expensive than non-healthy food.
Yes, there are ways around that. There are low-cost ways to eat healthy and get excercise, but it's definitely much more difficult than it would be if you had more money.
You can never be fat and healthy, but, it's entirely possibly to be appropriately sized and unhealthy due to poor nutrition.
People have lost weight eating nothing but twinkies and hot pockets, it's just a case of not overeating.