China Bans Avatar

[UnravThreads]

You know how you can tell if someone is feeling guilty because they know what they are doing is wrong?

When they can watch a movie and immediately recognize it as an allegory for THEIR actions.

It's like watching American History X and suddenly realizing that beating up negroes makes you look like an ass.

I lol'd at the last line.

 

[Docjrag]

Relocation is not the worst of what goes on in China, I should think they're used to being told what they can and can't see by now.

I saw this PETA video the other day -- made me look at fur in a whole different light. *shivers*

I know, its PETA but it blew my mind.

OT: I should really go see this movie.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

Yeah! I saw a trailer for that a while ago and it looked like a good film. And it has Chow in it, who is the only movie bad-ass I can think of that hasn't starred in any family crap.

Have you forgotten he was in Dragon Ball: Evolution? It may not have been a family film, but it was crap. That is to say I don't blame the guy for being in it. The movie was a failure from the start.

Off-Topic: Jackie Chan must die.

That's just not cool, dude.

Well, the Dragon Ball movie wasn't as bad as "Jingle All the Way", "The Pacifier", or this new piece of crap Jackie's in.

It's a mercy killing, really. Nobody needs a paycheck that much.

 

[Jaebird]

It's a mercy killing, really. Nobody needs a paycheck that much.

Dude. He's an actor. It's a job. You do the math. You can't begrudge a prostitute for performing oral pleasure to someone else. That's what they're paid to do.

 

[likalaruku]

I hated the movie personally, but I think every home in China should own a copy of that movie. They see it with completely different understanding & cultural hisstory & should not be stomped on by the Thought Police.

 

[little bear]

jesus, china sure loves that ban-hammer these days. sensitive much?

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Why don't they just ban fun all together?

 

[beddo]

I think it's interesting that the Chinese would draw that parallel. As anyone would expect, their government can't have anyone out there thinking that their rulers may be faulty.

I personally loved Avatar, and wish people would stop pretending they're their own Siskel and Ebert team and just enjoy modern movies (notice I didn't say film) for the spectacle that they are.

What's scary is that they're becoming the new super power. As if the US wasn't oppressive enough, now an even more oppressive player comes along.

 

[Dr Beefcakes]

what can I say?
F*ckin Commies

 

[MessiahElephant]

As far as I'm concerned, the Chinese government is best describe with three words: bitches be crazy. I have nothing against chinese people, but the fact that they've barely learned anything from Mao Zedong's mistakes doesn't say a lot of good things.

 

[VoidProphet]

China banned something.

 

[Revolutionary]

SO.........this stuff happens every day in china.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

China's perfectly reasonable to do this. I mean, America banned it, too, since it's got massively unflattering depictions of the US Marine Corp and a critical allegory of the Vietnam war. As such, I stand by China's decision to-

Ah, wait, sorry. I thought I lived in an alternate reality where governments banned media because it might show something that they'd done in a less-than-savory light. But seriously, do the Chinese need Avatar to show them that their government sucks? I hope the government is just too dense to give them enough credit to be able to realize that without James Cameron's help.

 

[kronoset]

there's no freedom in China, a Dictature remains what it is. just look at China's 4000 years History only emperors and Tyrans...

this pic is a good example:

I really pretty ****ing tired of people equating socialism with mass murders. For instance, with Hitler, the driving forces behind his ideals were eugenics and intolerance...socialism had very little--if anything--to do with it. Also, China is not a socialist regime...it is an authoritarian communist regime. Those you cited above are all EXTREMES, and using them to depict all of socialism. It would be like me saying that all Republicans--including moderates--are just like Rush Limbaugh. Check out the Netherlands. They have socialist institutions in place--do some research on their society and its standard of living. I think you might be a bit surprised.

Socialism is still a terrible system. Any country in which the government has that much power will inevitable have something go wrong, probably involving peoples individual rights being violated for the supposed "good" of the many.

2 problems that I immediately can identify about your argument:

1. You have cited only the demonized side of socialism as portrayed through Hitler and Nazi Germany (though I press you to explicitly connect the Holocaust with the benefit of the many over the individual)

2. In doing this you have--again--failed to identify more moderate forms of socialism as found in Europe and parts of the Netherlands. Note, that while they have very high taxes, the average "individual" has a higher standard of living than in the United States (where I live). Arguably, they also have a more tolerant society.

The problem that I think you are having, is that you are blending various ideological views of government with socialism. Yes, you can have an authoritarian or fascist socialist regime, but by no means are all socialist forms of government totalitarian. I hope you take that into careful consideration.

 

[kronoset]

there's no freedom in China, a Dictature remains what it is. just look at China's 4000 years History only emperors and Tyrans...

this pic is a good example:

Spoiler

I really pretty ****ing tired of people equating socialism with mass murders.

You do have to understand though, when socialism has had such a rocky past that people are going to think of all the horrible things it was involved in.

Yes, and so did my home country, the United States. Our ancestors essentially committed racial/ethnic genocide when they first settled here, then they imported enslaved Africans (as well as some natives, although they usually escaped or died from disease), discriminated against them and other ethnic groups even through the 1900s, and dropped two nuclear weapons (the only to ever deployed in battle) on two densely populated cities. I didn't cover everything there, of course, but I hit some major outcroppings. Yet, we do not tend to hear people equating capitalism with genocide or other forms of mass murder. Every country has had tumultuous origins. If The U.S. engaged in real capitalism (that is, liberal capitalism--no restrictions/regulations at all on the free-market/economy), then the rights of the individual to liberty amongst other things would most likely be infringed upon to a great extent. It is not the form of government that is at fault, but the preexisting issues within the society that people are afraid to address. It is also largely up to the interpretation of the political ideology. For instance, a leader could interpret a social structure on multiple levels, as with the differences seen between contemporary liberals and conservatives in our political environment today.

 

[The Austin]

there's no freedom in China, a Dictature remains what it is. just look at China's 4000 years History only emperors and Tyrans...

this pic is a good example:

Spoiler

I really pretty ****ing tired of people equating socialism with mass murders.

You do have to understand though, when socialism has had such a rocky past that people are going to think of all the horrible things it was involved in.

Yes, and so did my home country, the United States. Our ancestors essentially committed racial/ethnic genocide when they first settled here, then they imported enslaved Africans (as well as some natives, although they usually escaped or died from disease), discriminated against them and other ethnic groups even through the 1900s, and dropped two nuclear weapons (the only to ever deployed in battle) on two densely populated cities. I didn't cover everything there, of course, but I hit some major outcroppings. Yet, we do not tend to hear people equating capitalism with genocide or other forms of mass murder. Every country has had tumultuous origins. If The U.S. engaged in real capitalism (that is, liberal capitalism--no restrictions/regulations at all on the free-market/economy), then the rights of the individual to liberty amongst other things would most likely be infringed upon to a great extent. It is not the form of government that is at fault, but the preexisting issues within the society that people are afraid to address. It is also largely up to the interpretation of the political ideology. For instance, a leader could interpret a social structure on multiple levels, as with the differences seen between contemporary liberals and conservatives in our political environment today.

Uh... I'm from the United States, I know all about it's history. But now that I read your post, you make a very good point. I never stopped to think about the mass destruction capitalism has caused.
You sir, should be some sort of debater-person.

 

[kronoset]

there's no freedom in China, a Dictature remains what it is. just look at China's 4000 years History only emperors and Tyrans...

this pic is a good example:

Spoiler

I really pretty ****ing tired of people equating socialism with mass murders.

You do have to understand though, when socialism has had such a rocky past that people are going to think of all the horrible things it was involved in.

Yes, and so did my home country, the United States. Our ancestors essentially committed racial/ethnic genocide when they first settled here, then they imported enslaved Africans (as well as some natives, although they usually escaped or died from disease), discriminated against them and other ethnic groups even through the 1900s, and dropped two nuclear weapons (the only to ever deployed in battle) on two densely populated cities. I didn't cover everything there, of course, but I hit some major outcroppings. Yet, we do not tend to hear people equating capitalism with genocide or other forms of mass murder. Every country has had tumultuous origins. If The U.S. engaged in real capitalism (that is, liberal capitalism--no restrictions/regulations at all on the free-market/economy), then the rights of the individual to liberty amongst other things would most likely be infringed upon to a great extent. It is not the form of government that is at fault, but the preexisting issues within the society that people are afraid to address. It is also largely up to the interpretation of the political ideology. For instance, a leader could interpret a social structure on multiple levels, as with the differences seen between contemporary liberals and conservatives in our political environment today.

Uh... I'm from the United States, I know all about it's history. But now that I read your post, you make a very good point. I never stopped to think about the mass destruction capitalism has caused.
You sir, should be some sort of debater-person.

Thank ye kind sir.

 

[KAPTAINmORGANnWo4life]

It's a mercy killing, really. Nobody needs a paycheck that much.

Dude. He's an actor. It's a job. You do the math. You can't begrudge a prostitute for performing oral pleasure to someone else. That's what they're paid to do.

It's not that he has a job, it's that he has that job.

Plus, there's a chance I'm not being serious here.

 

[Jaebird]

It's not that he has a job, it's that he has that job.

Plus, there's a chance I'm not being serious here.

Then get over it.