China Bans Time Travel (Movies)

[Rex Fallout]

"The producers and writers are treating the serious history in a frivolous way, which should by no means be encouraged anymore."

Although you're still allowed to pretend any history involving the Tienanmen Square Massacre never ever happened.

DEATH TO DICTATORS
ACCEPT DEMOCRACY- OR GET THE FUCK OUT

Isn't that an inherent contradiction?

A little bit but it was never meant to be taken completely seriously. I just dont approve of dictators, or for that matter people who oppress, enslave, torture, and kill innocent people just because of their ideas. And yet for some reason my country supports these men.

Way to go White House, I'm sure Washington would support your decisions 100%! /sarcasm

So, what does the White House have to do with this?

I just meant the Federal government in general due to their tendency to turn a blind eye when it comes to oppressive dictatorships in the middle east, and their friendliness towards the huge oppressive regime in China.

 

[Baneat]

Great Scott!

 

[drakythe]

We dont have to force it on them, we could just stop giving them our @#$%ing money! Its far more peaceful. When we stop feeding the oppresive beast, the people will revolt themselves. Plus it has the added bonus of giving more people back home jobs to make things. We could just have a big embargo on Chinese made goods, just like we do with Cuba.

So financially ruining a country isn't forcing them to change?

Also, have you seen how many products American's consume that are made in China? The government would have to organize a vote to even see if we'd all be willing to make those sacrifices for a while. Not to mention how many businesses would sue the government for losses they would take during the unrest. And why the hell would the Chinese government even let their people know American had stopped supporting them? Why not just say "Well, we're completely out of money, so you don't get any help feeding your family after that earthquake destroyed your village and farm, so sorry about that." -- Sure, people might eventually revolt, but again, the loss of lives would be staggering.

Also, the US couldn't do this unilaterally, we'd have to have a lot of support, and China has a perma-seat on the UN security council, which makes things really dicey in the realm of international politics. China could just retaliate by nixing any and all UN resolutions the US supports. Yeah, it'd be dickish of them. Then again who ever accused politicians of being sensible?

Again, I want to stress, I don't like the Chinese government anymore than you do, but the bigger picture must be considered before we simply 'make' them reform.

 

[Rex Fallout]

Ah, fair do's. I live in the UK myself but our government is the same. It would be nice if you guys' politicians grew the enormous balls of their distant predecessors and started taking a stand against this kind of injustice, you guys are in the best position to do so out of all the world's nations. But hey, who am I to advise the government?

Oh I can tell you what the problem is- everyone is so afraid to offend anyone. No one wants to hurt anyones feelings. We need another George Washington, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln- Hell a Henry Harrison would do compared to who we have. (you get it? That was a joke cuz Harrison was only in office for a month... yeah you get it.)

We work with all these dictators and then our president goes out to stand in front of the world and says, "WE SHALL HELP DEMOCRACY WHEREVER SHE MAY COME FORTH!" *whispers* "except in Libya, cuz you know their muslims so they are automatically al queda (sp?), well and of course in Egypt, we put that guy in power we shouldnt really involve ourselves in... well yes I know there are other country's that are fighting oppressive... China? Why would we do anything to China? Mr. Jintao is actually a very nice man.... Well yeah but if democracy rises anywhere else in the world then we would gladly..."

Oh yes, I forgot to tell you, Mr. President, this little 9 year old girl from Kansas called, she wanted me to give you a message, give me a sec here, ah yes here it is, she says, "MAN THE FUCK UP."

 

[Rex Fallout]

So financially ruining a country isn't forcing them to change?

Also, have you seen how many products American's consume that are made in China? The government would have to organize a vote to even see if we'd all be willing to make those sacrifices for a while. Not to mention how many businesses would sue the government for losses they would take during the unrest. And why the hell would the Chinese government even let their people know American had stopped supporting them? Why not just say "Well, we're completely out of money, so you don't get any help feeding your family after that earthquake destroyed your village and farm, so sorry about that." -- Sure, people might eventually revolt, but again, the loss of lives would be staggering.

Also, the US couldn't do this unilaterally, we'd have to have a lot of support, and China has a perma-seat on the UN security council, which makes things really dicey in the realm of international politics. China could just retaliate by nixing any and all UN resolutions the US supports. Yeah, it'd be dickish of them. Then again who ever accused politicians of being sensible?

Again, I want to stress, I don't like the Chinese government anymore than you do, but the bigger picture must be considered before we simply 'make' them reform.

Sadly enough I understand what you are saying, but keeping the status quo means that we support an oppressive, hateful nation that is only pretending to be our friend. I can tell you the first thing they will do when they get a more powerful military is take back Taiwan. The sad fact is we need to get over the fact that people are going to be upset. Yes people are going to hate us for closing off trade with them, but if you make it well known to all of the public through campaigns, and advertising that the Chinese government silences the masses, kills innocent people, locks up those with ideas and bring up the Tianenmen square massacre to the public eye again, how many citizens of the united states, (with a soul that is) are going to fight against the embargo?

Here's a fast fact, - you cant make everyone happy all of the time.

The US has becomed so concerned with not wanting to tread on toes. "No we cant do that, that country would get mad at us, we cant do that, why then this country would hate us.

Here's another fast fact. ' America, ALOT of the world hates you. Get used to it, cuz it aint going away any time soon.

I will gladly go and die for my nation, hell I'd be the first one to enlist in the military if my country actually supported my ideals.

 

[Jim-a-Lim]

No way they can go back in time and say "april fools?" ... too soon? Or wait...is it? Time --- Travel----hurts-----head-----

 

[maninahat]

China (the government, not the people) is SO fucked up. They need to pull a Libya.

They tried that back in 1989. About 7000 people got killed.

Not entirely true, no one knows for sure how many people were killed or arrested during the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Though when you take a crowd that big and start shooting into it with machine guns, and rolling out tanks to run them over the number cant be a small one.

To this day no one knows how many people are STILL in prison from that day. It's sad, we argue that we need to go to war in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan because of their crimes against humanity, and then we ignore the biggest perpetrator of that crime. If I were to become president I would start a new campaign, I'd call it:

DEATH TO DICTATORS
ACCEPT DEMOCRACY- OR GET THE FUCK OUT

I don't know if you are being ironic or not, but it shouldn't be up to you to decide whether democracy is best for other countries. What happens if the majority of people like the idea of having a dictating theocracy there (as is quite likely the case)? Sure, they don't have the luxury of choice, but if that is what the majority want then by democratic virtue, that is what they should get.

Exactly, but if the people are never given democracy, and NEVER given that choice then how can we know what they do or do not want? You assume the people in China enjoy being oppressed. I assume all human beings yern(sp?) for freedom. Which one of these two opinions do you think is more correct than the other?

Surely you base it on the number of Chinese people who are willing to protest against the autocrat government. If they only represent a minority of the people, then theoretically they should be fine with the government because democracy has (in a roundabout way) been maintained, even if there is a lack of a specific democratic voting structure towards that purpose.

 

[drakythe]

Sadly enough I understand what you are saying, but keeping the status quo means that we support an oppressive, hateful nation that is only pretending to be our friend.

and this is what it all comes down too. Not wanting to upset the status quo. I get where you are coming from, I really do. The only disagreement I have is I am a pacifist and so war isn't really an option for me, personally. The issue here is that our leaders believe that by maintaining the status quo they are doing the least amount of harm. Any forceful methods to make China change its ways will result in bloodshed of some kind.

Now my question is, do we really need to interfere, or will china soon experience the same sort of upheaval the mid-east is? At that point we can interfere all we like since the people will have literally asked for it.

Its all an effed up situation regardless, do nothing and things suck. Do something, and things really suck with a chance to improve soon rather than later.

 

[TheDist]

Well, this also be about the government feeling uncomfortable with an explosion of media that is about escaping to a pre-Communist past.

Whenever people escape *to* somewhere, they are also escaping *from* somewhere. In these cases Chinese nationals are escaping from a present that is run by a government...that would ban stories about Time Travel.

Bingo, I get the feeling the gov doesn't want people to start seeing shows that idealise a non-communist china. It's a shame too because china has a long and interesting history that it's people can't really learn too much about.

 

[RJ Dalton]

DEATH TO DICTATORS
ACCEPT DEMOCRACY- OR GET THE FUCK OUT

Aren't you a dictator for saying that?

Actually, no. A dictator is a single person who wields supreme power in a government. Forcing people to accept democracy is still democracy. It's just a corrupt democracy.
It happens.

 

[WrongSprite]

China (the government, not the people) is SO fucked up. They need to pull a Libya.

It's nowhere near on the same level as Libya, thought it's still fairly bad. But seriously, I've been to China, and the government is such a watered down form of communism now, it's very reminiscent of home. And I wasn't in a tourist area or anything.

 

[Rex Fallout]

Surely you base it on the number of Chinese people who are willing to protest against the autocrat government. If they only represent a minority of the people, then theoretically they should be fine with the government because democracy has (in a roundabout way) been maintained, even if there is a lack of a specific democratic voting structure towards that purpose.

The majority of the Chinese do nothing, because they dont want to end up dead and forgotten. Remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre?... Oh wait you mean that never happened? Crap that was like half of my arguement.

 

[Rex Fallout]

and this is what it all comes down too. Not wanting to upset the status quo. I get where you are coming from, I really do. The only disagreement I have is I am a pacifist and so war isn't really an option for me, personally. The issue here is that our leaders believe that by maintaining the status quo they are doing the least amount of harm. Any forceful methods to make China change its ways will result in bloodshed of some kind.

Now my question is, do we really need to interfere, or will china soon experience the same sort of upheaval the mid-east is? At that point we can interfere all we like since the people will have literally asked for it.

Its all an effed up situation regardless, do nothing and things suck. Do something, and things really suck with a chance to improve soon rather than later.

*sigh* how blinded has our nation made us? The United States isnt helping any of these revolutions going on in the middle east, with the acception of Libya- Which what exactly are we to them? Strategic military aid? Air Force Peace Keepers?- The one nation that is having a revolution that we ARE siding with is the one where the rebels actually have guns. The other couple of nations trying to overthrow their government have no weapons, and no support from the US. Obama has even told these dictators that he supports THEM, not the people screaming for democracy. China won't change anytime soon. Most of the Chinese people have no idea about these revolutions going on, (China extremely censors its internet, the words Libya, and Egypt, among several other nations, are actually banned from search engines.) The sad fact is that if humanity wants to move forward, we must embrace the fact that every individual life is important, and Democracy is the only form of government at all that embraces that. Sacrifices must be made to overthrow Jintao.

My nation is not corrupt- my leaders are. There is a huge difference.

 

[Rex Fallout]

China (the government, not the people) is SO fucked up. They need to pull a Libya.

It's nowhere near on the same level as Libya, thought it's still fairly bad. But seriously, I've been to China, and the government is such a watered down form of communism now, it's very reminiscent of home. And I wasn't in a tourist area or anything.

You have no rights in that nation. You do not have freedom of speech. You do not have the right to bear arms. You have only the rights that the government allows you to have. They hide it- but do you notice how no one speaks out against the government? Its because the ones that do mysteriously disappear.

 

[maninahat]

Surely you base it on the number of Chinese people who are willing to protest against the autocrat government. If they only represent a minority of the people, then theoretically they should be fine with the government because democracy has (in a roundabout way) been maintained, even if there is a lack of a specific democratic voting structure towards that purpose.

The majority of the Chinese do nothing, because they dont want to end up dead and forgotten. Remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre?... Oh wait you mean that never happened? Crap that was like half of my arguement.

Yes I do, and no, even 2 million attendees is not necessarily representative of 1.1 billion people. The politics behind the old massacre was a lot more complex just "they're peacefully protesting. QUICK, SHOOT EM!", but never the less, I see your point.

 

[WolfEdge]

MARTY! MARTY! Do you know what this means!?!?!?!

 

[WrongSprite]

China (the government, not the people) is SO fucked up. They need to pull a Libya.

It's nowhere near on the same level as Libya, thought it's still fairly bad. But seriously, I've been to China, and the government is such a watered down form of communism now, it's very reminiscent of home. And I wasn't in a tourist area or anything.

You have no rights in that nation. You do not have freedom of speech. You do not have the right to bear arms. You have only the rights that the government allows you to have. They hide it- but do you notice how no one speaks out against the government? Its because the ones that do mysteriously disappear.

Well that sounds pretty much like home to me.

 

[Rex Fallout]

Surely you base it on the number of Chinese people who are willing to protest against the autocrat government. If they only represent a minority of the people, then theoretically they should be fine with the government because democracy has (in a roundabout way) been maintained, even if there is a lack of a specific democratic voting structure towards that purpose.

The majority of the Chinese do nothing, because they dont want to end up dead and forgotten. Remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre?... Oh wait you mean that never happened? Crap that was like half of my arguement.

Yes I do, and no, even 2 million attendees is not necessarily representative of 1.1 billion people. The politics behind the old massacre was a lot more complex just "they're peacefully protesting. QUICK, SHOOT EM!", but never the less, I see your point.

Even if they are not a representative of all of the people they still do not deserve to be silenced in that way. And I know that it was far more complex than just, "They're peaceful protesters- QUICK SHOOT EM!" But its not that far from that.

Xiaopeng allowed for a special spot in Beijing known as Democracy wall to be put up where the people could be allowed to talk badly about their government, (mostly this was used as political propaganda against Mao's old regime which had ended in the death of millions of people during his, so called, 'Great Leap Forward') But as time went on, democracy wall started to breed just that- Democracy. Student protestors got together, and campaigned against the government, it eventually ended with the Tianenmen Square Massacre, which *apparently* didnt happen, did it CCP? The complexity of the situation was simple, the protestors were not only gathering public support from all around China, but also the world over. Reporters came and did stories over the protests, and many spoke as if this was the shining moment when China would finally change. Xiaopeng, however, didnt want to lose the power people were killed. Many, many people were killed. to this day the exact number is unknown, and there are still people in prison for the incident that happened 20 years ago.