China: We're Beating the Pirates

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DasDestroyer

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In other news, Chinese pirates report that due to efforts on their part the authorities have a 50% lower chance of recognizing a person as a pirate.
 

The Wooster

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dyre said:
Well, I can tell you that the number of pirated DVD stores seems to have dropped between when I went to Shanghai last summer and when I went three or four summers ago. Though, that could just me larger stores edging out the competition.

Grey Carter said:
according to consultancy firm, China Labs
Aren't they called "consulting firms?" I've never heard the word consultancy used in that way.
It's not wrong, just redundant. "Consultancy" implies that it's a firm already. Anyway, I've fixed the error, thanks for pointing it out.
 

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just had to LOL.
china gives a damn about piracy. a friend of mine who lives in china, told me china really doesnt care. you can buy copied movies and games without any problems in shops or some smaller shops on the streets.
sure enough, he wasnt lying when i was visiting him.
 

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It's not really being beaten at all. It is merely shifting from smaller, independent shops/stalls to established franchises. In many cases, these franchises are a form of co-operative, a joint venture established by a number of former successful, smaller, independent store/stall owners.

This is happening directly because of recent and current "interest in/actions against" piracy. Such actions should only be taken at face value, as they are specifically about saving face on an international stage. However, the one defining consequence here in China is the increased "kickbacks" required to operate such a business. The "overheads" are beyond the majority of smaller stores/stalls, hence the reduction in number of such businesses, and subsequent formation of franchises.

This is an example of how statistics are unreliable, and best used to support an untenable/untrue position or assertion. It is something at which this particular regime is very, very accomplished. It has to be, in order to maintain itself. I am using very careful, neutral language here, as I have been living/working here for 14 years, and would like to continue doing so.

Another important factor to note is the shift towards digital piracy, which is just...massive. You wouldn't believe it- every single piece of software, every piece of entertainment media you can imagine, right at one's fingertips within minutes, with zero moderation/intervention in sight. No-one under the age of 28 will even walk into a "Music/DVD" store anymore. It's another example of seriously skewed/selective statistics in a well-orchestrated international PR campaign.

China is an amazing place on many different levels, both positive and negative.
 

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drmigit2 said:
There is only one reaction to this that could even apply.

I wonder how much of a percentage of that video's views are due to it being posted on this site...

On topic: Assuming these stats are true and are not made up, it's going to make a bit more improvement to that percentage if you hope to have bragging rights about it. Considering how much their piracy issues cost software developers among other businesses, it'll take a lot more improvement before people take them seriously in their claims.

Captcha: Push on.

Keep trying China. Keep on pushing on...
 

duchaked

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it's more along the lines that China just doesn't bother recognizing copyright laws haha
 

Imthatguy

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Good grief this is the China Daily we're talking about they pull numbers out regularly pull numbers out off there ass. (More often than CNN, FNN or MSNBC anyway)
 

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According to Zhai Lifeng, an official at the National Copyright Administration, during a 2011 crackdown, some 466 individuals and firms were given "administrative punishment," while 66 cases warranted criminal investigation.
He he, we're "beating" the pirates!
 

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That really isnt the govermnents fault. Chinese finally start to be able to afford software. they start buyin it instead of pirating. the results are clear (albeit ofc biased). China has stated before that it does not care for copyright as long as breaking it benefits its nation, so i doubt they are doing very much about it.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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China has the highest execution rate of prisoners in the developed world and the second highest overall, executing five thousand people a year at roughly thirteen a day, a ratio of thirty seven for every ten million citizens.

With that in mind... let's crack down on piracy!

China is just... such a horrible country.
 

Li Mu

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Therumancer said:
Well, my basic attitude is that the only way to deal with the issue would be to effectively go to war with China, because short of that they have no real motive to stop what they are doing, which is why it continues.
You are a perfect example of one of the many things wrong with the US.

"We tried one or two things but they didn't work, SO LETS BOMB THE FUCK OUT OF SOME CIVILIANS!!!!! MAKE THEM DIE!!! I WANT BABIES TO EXPLODE IN A SHOWER OF BLOOD! GOD SAVE AMERICA! EVERY COUNTRY SHOULD DO AS WE SAY BECAUSE WE ARE RIGHT!"

great job.
Actually, that's the same attitude the British Empire had and look at how many friends they made...

As Montgomery once said;
Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: "Do not march on Moscow". Various people have tried it, Napoleon and Hitler, and it is no good. That is the first rule. I do not know whether your Lordships will know Rule 2 of war. It is: "Do not go fighting with your land armies in China". It is a vast country, with no clearly defined objectives.
 

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Grey Day for Elcia said:
China is just... such a horrible country.

Have you ever been there? That's a rather racist remark to make based entirely upon one piece of information.

Lets look at Detroit. I've been to Detroit and can confidently say that I've also been to third world countries which had less obvious poverty than that city. I mean, I was on the highway and little kids with torn clothes were trying to sell hand made necklaces to people at traffic lights! But I wouldn't go as far as to say, "Detroit is a terrible place....America is just...such a horrible country."
That would be extremely unfair and an uneducated comment to make.
Detroit does not represent the qualities of America or its people in the same way that capital punishment doesn't represent China or its people.
Also, do I really need to point out that the US also has capital punishment? Should I look down my nose at those 'barbaric and evil' Americans because my country stopped executing people decades ago? No, I shouldn't.


I have lived and traveled extensively in China and I have to say that it is one of the safest places I have ever lived. I was in a small village in WuYiShan and had the children of this village (who are far from wealthy) buy me ice cream. I argued against it and attempted to buy them ice cream but they refused. They considered me a guest in their village and insisted on treating me. (I should point out that a village in China still tends to have a population of 200,000+ people. So don't think of little wooden huts.) Most Chinese are genuinely good people, the likes of which you can also find in every country. They have the same problems, trials, loves and goals as anyone else.

I could bore you with a dozen such stories, but I wont.

In short, most Chinese are just trying to make their way in the world. They are enthusiastic about how well their country is doing right now and they really do hope for a better life. It could be considered a mirror of the American dream. This 'Chinese dream' revolves around getting a good education (which is why Chinese study like nothing I've ever seen before) and then getting a good job and improving their life.

They don't want to invade anyone. They don't want to interfere in the business of others. You don't see them demanding a war with Iraq or America. They are very much focused on their own problems.


Also, the Chinese government is a pretty flawed beast, but what government isn't? The Japanese government is actually more corrupt than China's. But Japan is 'our friend' so we tend to ignore that fact. Lets not even pretend that the governments of the US, UK and Europe are free of corruption.

Actually, China is moving towards a democratic government. It has been stated by several party members. But they will do it slowly and at a pace which keeps their system stable. To do it quickly would result in a similar collapse the Soviet Union had. Of course, many western countries would love to see such a collapse, especially those who owe money to China. If China collapsed it would write off the billions of dollars owed to them.

China will have a major political change. They have to, the people know it and the government know it. It will probably happen in our life time, but it will take a decade or two to do.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Li Mu said:
They don't want to invade anyone. They don't want to interfere in the business of others. You don't see them demanding a war with Iraq or America. They are very much focused on their own problems.
Let me know when they do something about their oppressive leadership that murders its own citizens and views freedom of speech in the same light we see high treason.
 

Grey Day for Elcia

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Li Mu said:
Also, do I really need to point out that the US also has capital punishment? Should I look down my nose at those 'barbaric and evil' Americans because my country stopped executing people decades ago? No, I shouldn't.
China executes about 25 times more people per ten million than the U.S. The Chinese government murderers activists and imprisons innocent people on a daily basis. I dare you to hold up a Free Tibet sign out front of a government building. Just make sure you do your will first.

The U.S. and China aren't even comparable.