You believe that refugees from a country that is under sanctions designed to punish the populace and also suffers shortages because capitalist businesses deliberately underproduce is people fleeing 'socialism'? That's weird.
You believe that refugees from a country that is under sanctions designed to punish the populace and also suffers shortages because capitalist businesses deliberately underproduce is people fleeing 'socialism'? That's weird.
There's something uncanny about charlie kirks face that makes him look like a south park character come to life
There's something uncanny about charlie kirks face that makes him look like a south park character come to life
We're still waiting for you to provide any actual evidence of this* other than you wanting it to be...you can literally have fascist street violence with support from the United States (and its media) in a country and it's like oh yeah, you know, the people there really want economic liberalism, that's why some of them are going to Colombia
When capitalists stop trading with people, they chase after the capitalism... you think that is a point in socialism's favor, eh?You believe that refugees from a country that is under sanctions designed to punish the populace and also suffers shortages because capitalist businesses deliberately underproduce is people fleeing 'socialism'? That's weird.
In Venezuela? Do your own researchWe're still waiting for you to provide any actual evidence of this* other than you wanting it to be...
*explicitly the "street violence" being done solely by "fascists" and the US providing material support to the protestors
This is one of the dumbest things I've read today.When capitalists stop trading with people, they chase after the capitalism... you think that is a point in socialism's favor, eh?
Now now, why do you pretend disliking Fascists? You are the biggest pro fascist on this forum and blindly defend the only actual Fascist superpower. You can't both love the Fascist Chinese Party and pretend to be against fascism. It doesn't work like that.you can literally have fascist street violence with support from the United States (and its media) in a country and it's like oh yeah, you know, the people there really want economic liberalism, that's why some of them are going to Colombia
The GDR would probably have been a better example then. People fleeing because they are sick of all the shortages, sick of all the planned economy based mismanagement and sick of seeing consistently higher living standards in otherwise similar capitalist countries was widespread enough to bleed the country dry.you can literally have fascist street violence with support from the United States (and its media) in a country and it's like oh yeah, you know, the people there really want economic liberalism, that's why some of them are going to Colombia
We're still waiting for you to provide any actual evidence of this* other than you wanting it to be...
*explicitly the "street violence" being done solely by "fascists" and the US providing material support to the protestors
Fair enough (and something I'd realized after posting), but he hasn't shown that fascists make up even a meaningful minority, let alone what he's implying.Seanchaidh didn't say "solely" or use the term "material" there, mind.
Ok, there was an implication that the fascists and the US were a big part of it, can't speak to that, but there certainly would be some fascists at it, even if they aren't the minority, and the US and its media is going to be rather dubious at best in how it responds to this.
I have an intense dislike for the CCP, but it's not fascist. Fascist does not just mean authoritarian.Now now, why do you pretend disliking Fascists? You are the biggest pro fascist on this forum and blindly defend the only actual Fascist superpower. You can't both love the Fascist Chinese Party and pretend to be against fascism. It doesn't work like that.
No it means: Authoritarian, Ultra Nationalist, Racist and adopting state capitalism. All fit the CCP. And that's just on the surface, if you dig a bit deeper you will see many more similarities.I have an intense dislike for the CCP, but it's not fascist. Fascist does not just mean authoritarian.
This is from 2013 ffsFair enough (and something I'd realized after posting), but he hasn't shown that fascists make up even a meaningful minority, let alone what he's implying.
Well, to list a few;No it means: Authoritarian, Ultra Nationalist, Racist and adopting state capitalism. All fit the CCP. And that's just on the surface, if you dig a bit deeper you will see many more similarities.
Why so many people like to fool themselves is beyond me, they check all the frigging boxes. Is it to make people feel better about the fact they buy goods and services from a Fascist state?
Let me actually ask you this: what are the meaningful differences between China and a Fascist state?
The Republic of China, you mean?continues to aggressively threaten Taiwan
1) Yes and No, they are effectively economically colonizing third world countries to ensure their self reliance. Heck they even buy land which they than exploit solely with Chinese workers.And now they are ensuring they can get those resources to the mainland with chinese made infrastructure. While it's not a real annexation factually it is getting close to it.Well, to list a few;
* Fascism obsessively pursues economic self-reliance ("autarky"), whereas China pursues extremely extensive reciprocal trade connections throughout the world.
* Fascism pursues the imperial conquest of other countries. China annexed Tibet in the 1950s, and continues to aggressively threaten Taiwan, but has not actually invaded another sovereign country in 70 years.
* Fascists intentionally whip up racism and xenophobia among the population, and use it to create an "us-vs-them" siege mentality. The CCP, meanwhile, tends instead to hide and deny its racism and violence (such as against the Uyghurs), even from its own people.
Of course, none of this has stopped historical communists from referring to each-other as fascists. Various Soviet figures referred to the CCP as "social fascist".
I'm not going to argue anything about socialism, in this argument I don't really care. However you're implying the Venezuela economy crashed because of American manipulation. Sanctions were not the thing that caused the economy to collapse. The collapse happened because of poor economic planning and over dependents on oil.You believe that refugees from a country that is under sanctions designed to punish the populace and also suffers shortages because capitalist businesses deliberately underproduce is people fleeing 'socialism'? That's weird.
So basically "No you!"same to you