Cliffy B Offers to Help Capcom Fix Resident Evil

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Man, people are freaking out over a joke aren't they? Anyways, if Cliffy B WERE to work on Resident Evil, I honestly don't think it'd be too bad. Resident Evil is already obviously moving into the third-person action game genre, and like the Gears series or not, it's a genre that Cliff knows well. Regardless, you people act like because he made Gears of War that he'll just make RE full of steriod-pumping meatheads. He may bring something new to the table to make the series unique again. Look at Joss Whedon and the Avengers, Joss has had little to no experience directing a movie as big as Avengers, and he pulled it off really well. Sometimes it's good to get someone who doesn't work on that specific type of genre, game, etc. to bring something new to the table. And judging how well RE6 was received, bringing in something new may just be what the series needs.
 

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Sorry guys, it may pain you to admit it, but the last couple RE games have been so bad, and so unfocused (I'm including side-games like Operation Raccoon City), that he could indeed make them better.

He makes games that are well focused, well crafted, and know what they are (you are free to hate /what/ they are!), and RE lost that a long, long time ago.

For instance, the comments about plot, horror, and psychological drama... did you guys even play RE6? It's a hot mess. It doesn't have any of that. They took separate four scenarios with different playstyles, did some setpieces for each, then concocted some handwavey later to try to glue it all together. It's a wildly unfocused action shooter. Even the monsters aren't scary any more.
 

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And how does the plan to do that? By giving Chris Redfield and absurdly overcompensatory chainsaw gun?
 

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Everyone in this thread completely missed the joke/irony, in that Gears of War was at least partially inspired by Resident Evil 4.

oldtaku said:
Sorry guys, it may pain you to admit it, but the last couple RE games have been so bad, and so unfocused (I'm including side-games like Operation Raccoon City), that he could indeed make them better.
RE:ORC was developed by Slant Six, not Capcom.

BBboy20 said:
Was the number one feedback Capcom got was "You should have stuck with Leon's Campaign"? Because that segment was mostly an actual evolution of the franchise.
Ada's was much more classic Resident Evil, but I doubt most people have seen/played that story.
 

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Well, since Resident Evil is more of a comedy series rather than a horror series in my book, I say let him join! It can't get much worse can it?
Think about it; Gears of War is unintentionally hilarious, and so is Resident Evil. If the powers were to combine...
Gold. We get gold.
 

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I frankly want to give Cliffy a chance. When Cliffy left Epic, Jim Rossingol put this up in the comments section:

<quote=Jim Rossingol>There?s going to be a lot of pointless bile in this thread, clearly. And hey, I am not a fan of the Gears Of War games either. But to dismiss the contribution that Bleszinski made with the first three UT games would be foolish. And I say that as a Quake III guy.

I?ve met Cliff on a number of occasions, and he speaks articulately and enthusiastically about games, and about PC games.

Back when I reviewed UT2004 he sat and talked to with me about a bunch of game ideas he had that Epic would never likely do, and they were a world away from Gears Of War, or any other shooter. I?m going to be interested to see what he does next.

Cliffy clearly has a lot more in him than GoW. Epic was just limiting him - hell, the beefcakes of Gow weren't even his idea. Lately he's been speaking a lot about how he would like to make more open and systemic games as opposed to scripted shooters. I'm looking forward to what he does next.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
oldtaku said:
Sorry guys, it may pain you to admit it, but the last couple RE games have been so bad, and so unfocused (I'm including side-games like Operation Raccoon City), that he could indeed make them better.
RE:ORC was developed by Slant Six, not Capcom.
I know that. And it doesn't matter. It's still Capcom's franchise. They gave it to Slant Six and let it produce that mess and then said 'Sure, this is good enough, let's sell it.'
 

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I dunno, I thought that scene in the first GoW where the redshirt gets smashed by a Beserker was kinda scary.
 

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*collapses into a chair*

I just sensed a great disturbance in the forums.

It was as though a thousand voices cried out in butt-hurt, and were suddenly mocked.
 

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Hey if he can actually put in a cover system that works for the next Resident Evil instead of the retarded one that is in 6, I am all for it, and hey at least it won't be worse than Leon's Campaign.
 

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AzrealMaximillion said:
People on the forum already taking this too seriously. The most his name will be on Resi 7 will be a special thanks.
That. I wonder why everyone hates him so much? I mean Gears of War was awesome, if one doesn't like the style than just don't play it, but fact is it was a great trilogy that did bring innovation to shooting, it was the first game to do cover-based shooting right. If THOUSANDS of games did a copy & paste at it and mostly failed miserably, if others attempted (some succeeded) to implement the cover element from Gears into their game, all this, it can't make Gears generic, and it's not their fault if everyone else is lacking imagination, Cliff and his people made it FIRST. It's like hating Doom and Wolfenstein for their generic first-person shooting, blame the copycats...

RE has been in a downward spiral for a while, and the transition from a survival horror to an action-packed game with anime-like sequences was to be expected. And obviously it pissed not only hardcore fans but MOST fans. Gears of War fans wouldn't like the next game be a survival horror, that's not what the series is all about.

Cliff's "joke" is pretty harmless, there're no ethic being broken in my opinion, EVERYONE is pissed about RE6 looking like GEARS OF WAR, thus, if he was the one behind the conception of Gears "if you wanna do a good game in the genre call me". Looks like EA will be calling him for Dead Space 3 as well lol
 

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Nimzabaat said:
Nihlus2 said:
Oh yes, because Gears of War is so well known for its psychological development, deep characters, subtlety and atmosphere.
Dom is better characterized than any Resident Evil character. Play the GoW series in order and you'll see that it's true.
Dom was a great character, so was Marcus, both had great development but... There's one major flaw to every single Gears character (let me quench any hatred already, I love Gears of War, like A LOT). the major flaw is that the story relayed through the main medium (the game) was indeed shallow and did not give us enough space to understand or even have feelings for the characters, only when you READ the books, you'd feel the depth of the story (still simplist, but at least it's deeper) and the HUGE complexity of the characters, Baird for instance is almost unlikable in the game, but after you read his passages in the books you understand his actions in the games. The flaw being that one shouldn't go for books, movies, animes, whatever, to get such information, but that's my opinion. I just feel the main media, whatever it is, should tell the whole story, the other media should act as accessories to go deeper into what you already know, or simply tell untold stories...

Resident Evil characters have a sort of persona I can't identify with, I usually laugh at their "emotional distresses", but that's simply because, as much as I LOVE Japan and Japanese culture (I really want to visit Japan asap, and Russia), I will NEVER be Japanese, I will ALWAYS be a tourist, a fan of their culture, but I can read and understand the culture, but I'll never be part of it. In short, I MUST admit, the RE characters seem ridiculous to me, but I do believe that is more out of cultural strangeness than anything else; and I readily accept that the Japanese audience would feel the same way about the Gears characters.
 

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FallenMessiah88 said:
It was clearly a joke. No need to get so up in arms about it.

Personally, I enjoyed the Gears Of War series. I didn't enjoy GOW3 quite as much as the others, but regardless it was still a very well polished game. I honestly don't get all the hate.

Just like I don't get all the "lolololololololololol!!! U mad bro?!" comments from some users. It just makes you look like you're more interested in poking fun at RE fans than in the discussion itself.
Thing is, the people all up in arms about Cliff's joke aren't RE fans. They're just here to hate Cliff, like this was an EA article or something.

Seriously you can tell that they've never played RE6 or RE5 for that matter because they keep saying "lololol what next Cliff? chest high walls? burly roided men?, cover mechanics?" All of which are present in RE6. And hell, Chris Redfeild has been just as much of an over muscled meathead since RE5. We're not poking fun at RE fans. We're poking fun at people who can't take a joke and who seem to take any chance to announce to the world that they hate Gears of War.

It must help them sleep better at night.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
And how does the plan to do that? By giving Chris Redfield and absurdly overcompensatory chainsaw gun?
May as well, they've already got the cover mechanics and the steroid look down.
 

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Milanezi said:
I wonder why everyone hates him so much?
People don't hate him for Gears of War. They hate him because he's a complete jackass. He is the world's oldest 12 year old. He constantly insults fans and is seen as one of the driving forces behind Epic's abandonment of the PC platform. He throws a public tantrum about bad review scores. He got mad at PC gamers about Gears of War sales on the PC... which released 1 year after the xbox version with stiff competition (some from Epic Games itself).

He's also fantastically hypocritical. After Epic pretty much entirely abandoned the PC due to piracy, Cliffy B. stated this year that all indies should focus on the PC instead of any other platform.

This is a small sampling of the things he's said and done. I could go on for hours with the amount of word-vomit that has come out of his mouth.
 

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AC10 said:
Milanezi said:
I wonder why everyone hates him so much?
People don't hate him for Gears of War. They hate him because he's a complete jackass. He is the world's oldest 12 year old. He constantly insults fans and is seen as one of the driving forces behind Epic's abandonment of the PC platform. He throws a public tantrum about bad review scores. He got mad at PC gamers about Gears of War sales on the PC... which released 1 year after the xbox version with stiff competition (some from Epic Games itself).

He's also fantastically hypocritical. After Epic pretty much entirely abandoned the PC due to piracy, Cliffy B. stated this year that all indies should focus on the PC instead of any other platform.

This is a small sampling of the things he's said and done. I could go on for hours with the amount of word-vomit that has come out of his mouth.
Granted, I didn't follow his career, he only showed on my radar with the release of Gears of War. Well, thanks for the info, but still, there's no reason to get angry with the man over a joke (that actually made sense), ya know. Imo there's not much sense in getting pissed over any entertainment media unless you work with it, anger and entertainment doesn't walk hand-to-hand as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Sylveria said:
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Let me guess...

Resi 7 will forget what color is, will have hyper-masculine male characters with hyper-masculine idiot lines, and will be even more poorly written?

Cliffy B isn't in a position to talk about fixing things, he's better at breaking them. Maybe that's the joke.
There is a certain irony that RE6 sucks because its trying so hard to emulate Gears of War.. and the guy who made Gears of War thinks he can fix it. I'm scared to think what his definition of "Fix" is.
I'm not sure. We might be pleasantly surprised, actually. I do remember Blezinski admitting that the Gears franchise hasn't come out quite as he'd wanted, in terms of tone. He never really wanted to end up with fridges with arms and heads trying and failing at expressing pathos, with the whole "big guy" aesthetic being the product of late design decisions for the first game.

Maybe he could surprise us. Maybe he actually does understand what makes Resi what it is, and just hasn't had the chance to implement or demonstrate it with either Gears or Unreal. Personally, I'm hoping for a return to a more claustrophobic atmosphere, less of a focus on the big explosion-fests, and a storyline that's maybe less ambitious, but a lot more focused.

Ambition is usually what kills any project, when it's not adequately handled.
 

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wouldn't getting a gears designer involved just make things worse? it would probably be better just to let this comment slide and forget about it.