CNN RapeLay Controversy Sparks Angry Response

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Austin MacKenzie said:
"Naturally, that is not to say that our society is without problems, but to be honest, I frankly do not think that you are the ones to tell us."
This, all the way. The US can't gripe at the Japanese over something like this when we're already pretty fucked up (not that they can gripe at the Japanese in the first place...). And is it really that hard to understand that you can prevent kids from seeing content like this by, oh, I dunno, BEING RESPONSIBLE PARENTS AND NOT LETTING THEM GET THEIR HANDS ON IT?
 

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Mackheath said:
Whilst I find these sorts of games ver distasteful, the hysteria over it is a bit rich coming from a country like the US, where a child can blow an adults head off with a legal gun.
What?

A legal gun? You mean people can do illegal things with legal objects? Like, rape people with their legal penis or stab somebody with their legal steak knife? Do we ban legal computers because people can illegally store child porn on them, or hack in to peoples bank accounts?

Or does the fact that its legal have nothing to do with the fact that an actions mean more than the tool?
 

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Credge said:
Mackheath said:
Whilst I find these sorts of games ver distasteful, the hysteria over it is a bit rich coming from a country like the US, where a child can blow an adults head off with a legal gun.
What?

A legal gun? You mean people can do illegal things with legal objects? Like, rape people with their legal penis or stab somebody with their legal steak knife? Do we ban legal computers because people can illegally store child porn on them, or hack in to peoples bank accounts?

Or does the fact that its legal have nothing to do with the fact that an actions mean more than the tool?
Yes, I'd really like that clarified as well. Also, I didn't know the US was the only country "where a child can blow an adult's head off with a legal gun".

Aside from that, Mogami did an excellent job there. I was following this story for a report in my Japanese culture and history class and I'm happy that someone basically told CNN to stuff it. If only there were enough Americans to come out and tell that network to stop broadcasting such biased crap.
 

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The whole "who are you to judge us"-argument is a fallacious one. The 'a game for rational, mature audiences' somehow falls flat when it's about a game that revolves around, and only revolves around, raping and terrorizing women.

Western society might have its flaws. Western society might play into the violent masculine hero-fantasy at every turn.

But it does not glorify rape and sexual abuse.

To tell someone to stop observing/judging, because they have higher crimerates is as fallacious as they get. As, in my eyes, that's not the fucking point.
You condemn them for providing a harmless outlet for a primordial instinct, with the result being a 95% lower crime rate? Explain yourself as you are making absolutely zero sense to me.
 

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Umm... wait... didn't the Escapist already cover this story?
I thought we were past this stupid, stupid issue.
 

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SomeGuyNamedKy said:
All I can say is well played Mr. Nogami.
Onyx Oblivion said:
They. Got. Served.

Now, that's a defense. Bringing hard crime rate facts into the mix.
Abriael said:
Nogami 100 - CNN 0

Gotta blog about this later. The more visibility this gets, the better, since CNN will never have the guts to publicly respond (and apologize, like they should).
Um, am I the only one that read both Nogami's letter and the CNN article? While Nogami had a few good zingers (most of which were quoted in the Escapist article), the rest of the letter wasn't all that great. Yes, he's right when he says "Japanese enjoy one of the most safe and peaceful societies on Earth", but then he makes the mistake of using Akihabara and Ikebukuro as examples. If you don't fear for your safety in those places you are either looking at them through otaku-colored glasses or beer goggles (scary drunks are pretty common-place there, after all). True, it would be nice if "appropriate age restrictions are put in place in stores" in the US, and he's right when he says that hentai is made for adults, not children. However, it kind of defeats his argument when this material sits less than a foot away from shonen jump (a comic for kids) in most convenience stores (it's at children's eye level too, I might add). Nogami even makes the mistake of assuming everyone at CNN is Christian, and tries to use a quote from the Bible to show that "we" (dunno if he's referring to CNN or all Americans here) are only against hentai because the Bible tells us to be...

I dunno, I just found more stereotyping and mis-truths in the letter than in the linked CNN article. While I definitely don't support CNN's sensationalist coverage of the topic, CNN's follow-up with the Japanese sociology expert was a lot less biased than Nogami claims it was.
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Asehujiko said:
While trying to stay out of this pro japan anti japan (rather stupid argument)...

You do realize that those stats are very specifically population size based right? And that we have almost 3 times as many people as they do? Just a thought.
And you do realize that the stats are on crime RATE, not crime NUMBERS, meaning a percentage of crimes compared with the country's population?
 

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boholikeu said:
but then he makes the mistake of using Akihabara and Ikebukuro as examples. If you don't fear for your safety in those places you are either looking at them through otaku-colored glasses or beer goggles (scary drunks are pretty common-place there, after all).
Actually i've lived in tokyo for a while, and no, Akihabara and Ikebukuro are most definitely NOT scary places. I don't know where you got this kind of information from, but I rarely felt as safe going around alone at basically every hour as when I was in Tokyo.
And that includes Kabukicho, that's normally described as a sprawling den of Yakuza and criminals.
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
Oh lord. Notice how its all the people with the anime avatars/names etc coming out to crusade for good old mother land japan...ugh.
Yep, look at the avatars instead of at the validity of the arguments uh? lovely strawman argument.
 

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SomeGuyNamedKy said:
All I can say is well played Mr. Nogami.
Onyx Oblivion said:
They. Got. Served.

Now, that's a defense. Bringing hard crime rate facts into the mix.
My thoughts exactly. I don't know whether to say ouch, or owned. I'll go with owned.

Mr. Nogami certainly gave them their just desserts.
 

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Abriael said:
boholikeu said:
but then he makes the mistake of using Akihabara and Ikebukuro as examples. If you don't fear for your safety in those places you are either looking at them through otaku-colored glasses or beer goggles (scary drunks are pretty common-place there, after all).
Actually i've lived in tokyo for a while, and no, Akihabara and Ikebukuro are most definitely NOT scary places. I don't know where you got this kind of information from, but I rarely felt as safe going around alone at basically every hour as when I was in Tokyo.
And that includes Kabukicho, that's normally described as a sprawling den of Yakuza and criminals.
I lived there for a while. The fact that you think Kabukicho is apparently more dangerous than Ikebukuro shows that you haven't quite been around Tokyo long enough to see the real dangers (I'll give you a hint: it's not the yakuza or "criminals" in Kabukicho).
 

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boholikeu said:
I lived there for a while. The fact that you think Kabukicho is apparently more dangerous than Ikebukuro shows that you haven't quite been around Tokyo long enough to see the real dangers (I'll give you a hint: it's not the yakuza or "criminals" in Kabukicho).
That's why I used the word "described"? I lived and worked in Tokyo one to two weeks a month for several years. Quite enough to see the (few) real dangers. Thank you.
You must be quite the scaredy cat if you were afraid of something while walking around in Ikebukuro. Seriously, if you were scared there (by what? a few harmless hookers?) then you never walked around in New York past sunset.

Oh, and mind you, I found your praise of the follow-up article with the "expert" the most hilarious. Between everyone they could go to, they went to an AMERICAN professor. Not to mention the most hilarious part, and that's that the main correspondent for CNN in Japan, that penned both articles about Rapelay, is Korean. There's few people on earth that hate Japan and the Japanese like Koreans. Way to send a fan of Manchester United to report on Manchester City.
 

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xmetatr0nx said:
You cant really argue cultural differences. Just because youre obviously biased towards japan, doesnt make whatever he says correct. Its not an issue that will be seen eye to eye. Just like arguing with an arab man over the mistreatment of his wife...he is only correct in stating that closer regulations over these types of games is the first step towards preventing children from getting them. Other than that, i cant take a society which is so compartmentalized, as japan, very seriously.
You may want to look at the problems in your own society before looking at those of another. As for having chosen an avatar over the other, that's such a laughable argument. It doesn't make me "biased" towards Japan in the least. I just lived there, know the place, know the culture (as much as a westerner having lived there for a while can), and know just how idiotic the CNN reports and articles were.
 

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Haha good one. I may not like the game but you sir a genius and I agree with you.

Also yes, CNN just got owned.