CNN RapeLay Controversy Sparks Angry Response

boholikeu

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Abriael said:
That's why I used the word "described"? I lived and worked in Tokyo one to two weeks a month for several years. Quite enough to see the (few) real dangers. Thank you.
You must be quite the scaredy cat if you were afraid of something while walking around in Ikebukuro. Seriously, if you were scared there (by what? a few harmless hookers?) then you never walked around in New York past sunset.

Oh, and mind you, I found your praise of the follow-up article with the "expert" the most hilarious. Between everyone they could go to, they went to an AMERICAN professor. Not to mention the most hilarious part, and that's that the main correspondent for CNN in Japan, that penned both articles about Rapelay, is Korean. There's few people on earth that hate Japan and the Japanese like Koreans. Way to send a fan of Manchester United to report on Manchester City.
Not so much the hookers as the public drunk beating an old man on a busy street with no one else so much as batting an eye over it.

You're right that New York after dark is a much more dangerous place, but that doesn't mean Tokyo can't be dangerous as well. My point wasn't that the US is safer than Japan, anyway (it's obviously not). Nogami tried to paint Japan as a totally safe and equal for both genders. It's not. Ikebukuro and Akihabara might not be as dangerous as the ghettos of New York, but they aren't as safe as some places in the US either.

Also, I didn't exactly "praise" the CNN article so much as say it was less biased than the letter. I'd really like to know what you think was so bad about anything the sociology expert said (he teaches here in Japan btw). None of it seemed biased to me, and certainly none of it "associated Japanese people at large with heinous criminals".
 

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Asehujiko said:
While trying to stay out of this pro japan anti japan (rather stupid argument)...

You do realize that those stats are very specifically population size based right? And that we have almost 3 times as many people as they do? Just a thought.
What part of "crime rate" is so hard to understand? It's "crimes per 100k people".
 

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Dr. wonderful said:
I have no words...The pictures will do the talking.


This will sums up what happens all together.




Nogami - Badass
CNN- old conservative woman.
Pwnt man- Us, mondern guys.
What is that last .gif from? I must see this movie!
I have no idea...
 

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boholikeu said:
Not so much the hookers as the public drunk beating an old man on a busy street with no one else so much as batting an eye over it.
Never seen something like that, but you understand that that is just one case? Things like that happen everywhere in the world, and isolated cases don't make a place necessarily less safe. The norm is that such places are safe to walk around, safer than most of the western cities.

Also, I didn't exactly "praise" the CNN article so much as say it was less biased than the letter. I'd really like to know what you think was so bad about anything the sociology expert said (he teaches here in Japan btw). None of it seemed biased to me, and certainly none of it "associated Japanese people at large with heinous criminals".
Teaching there doesn't make the professor less biased, and actually the very subject he taches makes him more biased, as he obviously would try to bring more attention on his subject (and possibly his writings) He seems to partially suffer from the same case of culture shock he talks about, not to mention the fact that his information (as common in the academics world) is quite outdated.
The fact that he was interviewed by a Korean journalists (and the Korean hate for Japan is well known), added to it as she probably snipped and cut exactly what she wanted in order to make Japan look bad.

Seriously, I wonder who the hell had the bright idea to send a Korean as a correspondant on social facts in Japan. Not that I don't suspect that it was fully intentional.
 

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Abriael said:
Teaching there doesn't make the professor less biased. He seems to partially suffer from the same case of culture shock he talks about, not to mention the fact that his ways (as common in the academics world) are quite outdated.
The fact that he was interviewed by a Korean journalists (and the Korean hate for Japan is well known), added to it as she probably snipped and cut exactly what she wanted in order to make Japan look bad.

Seriously, I wonder who the hell had the bright idea to send a Korean as a correspondant on social facts in Japan. Not that I don't suspect that it was fully intentional.
Again, still waiting on what exactly was so offensive about the article because "the expert is an American academic" and "the journalist is Korean" don't cut it. I'm looking for specific quotes here, not broad stereotypes about certain job titles or races.

Take your time too. I'm turning in for the night (it's pretty late here in Japan), so you should have a good 8-12 hour or so to get your proof together. See you tomorrow!
 

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I do find it strange that CNN took so long to cover a game like this. It's been almost 4 years since the game was released. I guess RapeLay has been rather obscure in Western culture up until now.
You shouldn't be too surprised. CNN is only good at looking cutting edge. I'm just glad there's nothing tragically important going on in the world so they can waste time on this crap.

Just the nature of their report is weird: pointing out cultural differences like some bad comedian on amateur night.

What next: are they going to accuse the Japanese of being perverts because they take family baths?

How about attacking Hungarians because they allow their children to drink alcohol.

How about attacking Americans for being squeamish, puritans who think the rest of the world should be as uptight as them.
 

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Asehujiko said:
You condemn them for providing a harmless outlet for a primordial instinct, with the result being a 95% lower crime rate? Explain yourself as you are making absolutely zero sense to me.
Alright. I'll play. I'll ignore the assumption that (child) rape 'is a primordial instinct' and attack the assumption that 'violent games' equals 'less crime', a causal connection that has never been proven (and uphold by successive investigation) to my knowledge.

This is even excluding other possible reasons, like the socio-economic factors. Hell, perhaps it's so low because crimes are never reported (I don't know why. Perhaps it brings shame? Which would lead to those solemn Japanese having to kill themselves, which they tend to do 200% more often than the Yanks) or even something in the water. Fuck knows.

CNN might have handled the 'controversy' in a way which utterly reinforces my disdain for puritan Americans, but this isn't hypocrisy. It would be hypocrisy if CNN would have praised/ignored an American made 'rape sim', while bashing the Japanese one. It's not a case of the pot blaming the kettle the other one is black. It's a case of a homicidal pot lambasting the suicidal kettle for glorifying rape.
 

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boholikeu said:
Again, still waiting on what exactly was so offensive about the article because "the expert is an American academic" and "the journalist is Korean" don't cut it. I'm looking for specific quotes here, not broad stereotypes about certain job titles or races.
Lol, ain't you condescending?
Just to make a few examples, how he described Japan as a patriarcal society that never changed, and it's political class as elderly.
That's a grossly outdated stereotype, as there has been a strong movement in the Japanese government to include younger politicians and women into the seats of power.

Mind you, since we're talking about rape, the Minister of Justice is a woman, and she's not the only one in the cabinet. Also, several members of the cabinets are in their fourties and early fifties, which, for a politician that reached the seat of a minister is definitely young.

So yeah, looks like the "expert" might have to look into updating his information.
 

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what happened to our freedom of gaming the freedom to rape a virtual person to kill a virtual person to do whatever the hell we want to a virtual person because they are not real you dip shits can't say that it will offend these retards morons.
 

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on the first day they took our rape games and i was silent, on the second day they came and took our girlfriends and i was still quiet and on the third day they took us.
 

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The more posts I read in this thread the more it wears on my nerves that people keep saying the argument that the U.S. has terrible crime rates compared to Japan's is a truly legit one. In no way is it whatsoever.

You guys do realize you're comparing a country that hasn't experienced many cultural and economic problems that made things like large and highly dangerous gangs so common in so many states. Not to mention the amount of land making up the two countries is vastly different. Have you ever seen the wide open spaces we have here? The thousands of miles of dense forest? I'm trying to become a botanist for the Forest service out west and you know what they fear most? F&*$^ing marijuana planations where people will shoot you on sight. Dead bodies from murder victims dumped in the most remote and hard to reach places that only someone like a venturing botanist would find. There is nothing like that in japan. Also the fact that so many criminals here have guns to kill people with and more powerful ones at that. Yeah that just doesn't work. No more than the U.S. saying we're superior from statistically less suicide. Too many factors built up over time that cause these problems.

Though I am happy someone is finally speaking out against CNN well enough to shut them up he really did it in the worst way. Not to mention like mentioned before he came off as pretty ignorant to all U.S. citizens in his full response. Plus I can't give credit to anyone for calling a game about rape a normal entertainment source for a more mature audience. Yeah people say we have lots of more realistic killing in games. So what? Are we just going to keep upping the anti till we can rape children and dogs while shooting old ladies in the face? The line has got to be drawn somewhere and since it's too late to stop "realistic shooters" then we should probably avoid the whole raping mechanic in games before we desensitize ourselves to that too.
 

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While I question some of his "facts" I do support the way the guy put CNN in their place (although on the issue of age restrictions I'd personally put the blame more on the parents than the system).
 

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I hate my fellow countrymen's superiority complex.

It'd be different if it was clearly causing a problem fr the japanese and we were simply agreeing with them on the issue, but because it's not, fuck america, treating other countries like children.
 

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Abriael said:
Lol, ain't you condescending?
Just to make a few examples, how he described Japan as a patriarcal society that never changed, and it's political class as elderly.
That's a grossly outdated stereotype, as there has been a strong movement in the Japanese government to include younger politicians and women into the seats of power.

Mind you, since we're talking about rape, the Minister of Justice is a woman, and she's not the only one in the cabinet. Also, several members of the cabinets are in their fourties and early fifties, which, for a politician that reached the seat of a minister is definitely young.

So yeah, looks like the "expert" might have to look into updating his information.
Sorry for condescension, but it really struck me as hypocritical that you're complaining about CNN misrepresenting Japan while you're doing essentially the same thing with Koreans.

Anyway, you're right that recently Japan has had more women representatives holding positions of power, but that doesn't make the expert's statement a "grossly outdated stereotype". Japan still still has very few women representatives when compared to other industrialized nations (http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090129f2.html), and in a 2010 study it still ranked only 95 out of 136 in terms of female parliamentary representation (http://www.ipu.org/wmn-e/classif.htm#2). You may have a point about the average age of politicians (I couldn't find any statistics, so for the sake of argument we'll just assume you are right), but we're mainly talking about sexuality and gender politics here, and Japan is definitely still a patriarchal society.

Now, let's look at some of the other statements made in the article that you conveniently overlooked:

"There are whole sets of non-issues that are not raised for political debate in Japan, so they don't filter into the consciousness of most Japanese people"

Yup, this is pretty much true. There are things here that are never brought up for debate because culturally they are a "non-issue".

"Japan has ways of expressing sexuality that are practically indecipherable to a Western sensibility but that are so normalized in Japan that the Japanese don't often understand or acknowledge the critiques that are made against them,"

Again, true.

"What provokes people about Japan is the cultural distance which inclines people to see Japan as exceptionally lurid or perverse simply because it expresses sexuality in ways outside of Western norms. Japan is in some ways not that different than other cultures, including the United States, which has its own gender problems that are quite apparent."

Yup, true. Might I add that this is also basically the same argument Nogami made in his letter. That's why I don't really understand why Nogami is complaining about the expert -- they essentially hold the same opinion.

In the end, I can understand people's outrage at the way CNN covered this issue, but the expert in the above article is still no where near as "biased" as people here claim he is. People should really read the original sources before jumping on the Nogami bandwagon. I saw far more stereotypes and mis-representations in his letter than I did in the expert's quotes.
 

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Who really gives a fuck?
Wow, did that group of pixels just penetrate that OTHER group of pixels?
Tell me when something interesting actually happens.
 

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*sigh*
did he have to insult the entire nation?
Whatever.
Go japan!
Boo CNN.
Yay eroge!