CNN RapeLay Controversy Sparks Angry Response

[Jaded Scribe]

the game should not have been fucking made period. i'm so sick of this, true that an american civil rights group has no right to dictate to another country what they can or cannot do; but there are certain levels of decency in our society that we must abide by. such as not making fucking rape games. rape is not a joking subject, nor a glorious subject. and before you say, what about murder and robbery? rape is 1000 times worse than any shoot em' up game could glorify violence. a single act is horrifying and should not be permitted at all (not to mention the perps need to be fried till their skin is extra-crispy and have their testes shoved down their throats, they don't deserve them anyway).

if someone reports me for saying something horrible about rapists, i don't care. they are the parasites of the world, and their crime should not be tolerated nor glorified in a video game.

The Japanese have a different view of it. We do NOT have the right to say they shouldn't have made a game that is more acceptable in their culture.

And the idea that rape is the worst crime in the world is simply your own opinion. I think murder is far worse. There you are taking a life. Ending it. No chance to continue on. Rape is not as bad as death to be honest (in my view).

 

[Beastialman]

Dear god Digg right now!

If CNN has a forum someone needs to post it up on there.

 

[Souplex]

Doesn't Japan have the highest sexual crime rate of any developed nation?

 

[the_bearpelt]

My fault if I sounded a little touchy. Didn't think you would take "bow to your demands" so seriously. It was just the thought that if you feel it is wrong and move to do something about it, you might perhaps be a little bit overzealous, especially if people want to play this game and buy it.

And it seems no matter what happens these days, people need to get the law involved to get anything done. People don't seem to know how to properly deal with many things without getting into legal trouble themselves...

And while everyone is free to their opinion, you must realize that a large network like CNN saying its opinion is a lot more damaging and affect-inducing than me saying that all stupid people need to be taped to a chair in a school until they are no longer idiots. We are free to disagree, but it should be noticed that where you stand in the world can have a huge affect on what those words really do.

Oh, no, I wasn't offended by the term. It's more that I wasn't sure what you meant by it and it could've meant several different things. (Sorry, guess that's bordering on semantics a little bit.)

Hmm... Overzealous?
Ahah, that certainly sounds like me sometimes. I concede on that point. I probably am being a bit... excited over it. I tend to get like that.

Ohmigod, yes, I know what you mean about the law. There's the law being used in a GOOD way and then there's people being STUPID about law and then there's flat out ABUSING the law. I did a whole presentation on frivolous lawsuits for my Theory of Knowledge class, so I've seen some pretty stupid stuff.

Oh, no question about it: what CNN did was flat-out stupid on their part. I think I said earlier that I feel the news anchors and reporters should keep their opinons to THEMSELVES. (Of course, I could be imagining that I said it earlier. So many posts.) I feel the news should attempt to be as objective as possible. It is NOT their job to tell people what THEY think, no matter how slyly they do so.

 

[Mcface]

They. Got. Served.

Now, that's a defense. Bringing hard crime rate facts into the mix.

Of course our crime rate is going to be higher, we have 200 million more people living here.

 

[Tyler Whitney]

And the idea that rape is the worst crime in the world is simply your own opinion. I think murder is far worse. There you are taking a life. Ending it. No chance to continue on. Rape is not as bad as death to be honest (in my view).

(Passes a flame shield). Here you're going to be needing this more than me. Asking whether it's more evil to be a rapist, a murderer, or say, someone that pushes destitute farmers off their land to watch their children die of malnutrition slowly is difficult and ultimately pointless. I'd rather focus on solutions myself.

 

[The Heik]

Wow, this guy has left CNN speechless. That is something.

Moreso, he is totally, totally right.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

They. Got. Served.

Now, that's a defense. Bringing hard crime rate facts into the mix.

Of course our crime rate is going to be higher, we have 200 million more people living here.

OHH! Counter hard fact'd.

Damn you...

 

[qbanknight]

the game should not have been fucking made period. i'm so sick of this, true that an american civil rights group has no right to dictate to another country what they can or cannot do; but there are certain levels of decency in our society that we must abide by. such as not making fucking rape games. rape is not a joking subject, nor a glorious subject. and before you say, what about murder and robbery? rape is 1000 times worse than any shoot em' up game could glorify violence. a single act is horrifying and should not be permitted at all (not to mention the perps need to be fried till their skin is extra-crispy and have their testes shoved down their throats, they don't deserve them anyway).

if someone reports me for saying something horrible about rapists, i don't care. they are the parasites of the world, and their crime should not be tolerated nor glorified in a video game.

The Japanese have a different view of it. We do NOT have the right to say they shouldn't have made a game that is more acceptable in their culture.

And the idea that rape is the worst crime in the world is simply your own opinion. I think murder is far worse. There you are taking a life. Ending it. No chance to continue on. Rape is not as bad as death to be honest (in my view).

Victims of sexual assault have to live with that shit for the rest of their lives. Their lives became damaged, and some of them never "get over it". That's why it is the worst crime a human can commit. The Japanese may have different view of the world, but there are universal beliefs that every human must follow: don't kill, don't steal, and don't fucking rape.

 

[the_bearpelt]

The Japanese have a different view of it. We do NOT have the right to say they shouldn't have made a game that is more acceptable in their culture.

And the idea that rape is the worst crime in the world is simply your own opinion. I think murder is far worse. There you are taking a life. Ending it. No chance to continue on. Rape is not as bad as death to be honest (in my view).

While it's true that we shouldn't dictate what another country does (as the guy you were respondng to SAID), I think individuals in other countries have every right to think what another country does is wrong. Brushing off behaviours because their culture is different is NOT a good excuse. (Although I still think the production of a game like that SHOULD be legal. I'm speaking in general.)

I have to say, though, I'm downright almost offended by the way you belittled rape when compared to murder. I disagree with you. I don't think one is worse than the other. They're both equally horrible, vile, wrong, and despicable. THey are just wrong in different WAYS and for different REASONS.
I feel you don't clearly understand the significance of what rape does to a person, brushing it off like that. There is NOTHING that is like having your body violated by another person against your will without being able to stop it. There is NOTHING like that sort of violation of a person's body and psyche. There is a REASON why people are terrified of rape and it is NOT because they are still alive.

 

[Tyler Whitney]

They. Got. Served.

Now, that's a defense. Bringing hard crime rate facts into the mix.

Of course our crime rate is going to be higher, we have 200 million more people living here.

OHH! Counter hard fact'd.

Damn you...

You gentlemen do know what "per capita" means don't you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

(Okay it's PER 100k individuals for the wiki site, but same diff)

 

[the_bearpelt]

No, you know, actually, I AM offended, not ALMOST offended.
If you didn't mean it like that, then I retract my anger and apologize.
But if you really did mean it that way, you are dead wrong to belittle something that horrible.
I can't even describe my offense right now.
I'm going to stop before I say something I regret.

 

[Jaded Scribe]

And the idea that rape is the worst crime in the world is simply your own opinion. I think murder is far worse. There you are taking a life. Ending it. No chance to continue on. Rape is not as bad as death to be honest (in my view).

(Passes a flame shield). Here you're going to be needing this more than me. Asking whether it's more evil to be a rapist, a murderer, or say, someone that pushes destitute farmers off their land to watch their children die of malnutrition slowly is difficult and ultimately pointless. I'd rather focus on solutions myself.

Perhaps. I prefer to seek solutions myself, and could go on forever on the lackings of our justice system and lack of rehabilitive services. I think much can be summed up with a quote from the movie Ever After "If you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners corrupted from infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded, sire, but that you first make thieves and then punish them?"

I am not defending rapists. But to sit on a high horse and denounce a game like this one, which stems from a completely different culture and legal system, when most of our home-grown games are just as fraught with crime and harm against others is hypocritical in the extreme.

 

[Shamanic Rhythm]

You know, while I'm sick of CNN just bashing on videogames because they're such a soft target, I'm actually really disgusted that games like this exist. While I'm all in favour of free speech and I'd rather they didn't censor such games, I'd at least hope that the developers would have enough good taste not to go down this route.

A lot of people are using the counter-argument that it's hypocritical to applaud violence in games but not rape. Rape is a highly different crime from murder or assault: because of the sexual nature it's a physical crime second and a psychological crime first. The reason I don't buy into the Jack Thompson argument that games turn people into killers is because people have natural instincts that prevent them from killing someone: there are plenty of statistics out there to indicate that often soldiers fail to fire their weapons when they're in close quarters with an enemy. It takes a lot more than a few computer games to break those down.

Rape on the other hand is a crime that is actively encouraged by certain base instincts, so a game that objectifies the rape of women could quite probably do some serious damage. Not only that, but our society at large is still in the dark ages when it comes to treating women with respect over rape. I know this game is from Japan, but here in Australia if a woman gets gang-raped by footy players, facebook groups spring up in defence of the sportsmen making the absurd claim that 'she dressed like a slut so she asked for it'. I ask you, how is this game going to contribute anything to offset this kind of mentality? It's an act of incredible tactlessness on the part of the developers to women everywhere.

I'm certainly not saying that rape should be a complete taboo in games; but protagonist inflicted rape is really crossing the line. I've yet to see any justification for it other than "free speech" and "it doesn't hurt anyone". I can guarantee that NONE of the people advocating this game have ever had a woman confess to them that she was raped: because if it ever does happen, you'll never feel that anything like this depravity is acceptable.

 

[UnusualStranger]

Pretty popular around here!

No worries. Just like having a discussion on here. Not too many, and I love a good fight...or argument...or whatever I should term it.

However, trying to keep opinion out of the news seems to have become a luxury that news does not want to give anymore. They seem to want to sensationalize everything, making it sell more. Perhaps the news would be better if there wasn't so much opinion injected in....but people keep watching. But perhaps it is because they don't really have much choice in the matter.

 

[Jaded Scribe]

I feel you don't clearly understand the significance of what rape does to a person, brushing it off like that. There is NOTHING that is like having your body violated by another person against your will without being able to stop it. There is NOTHING like that sort of violation of a person's body and psyche. There is a REASON why people are terrified of rape and it is NOT because they are still alive.

I feel I understand quite clearly what rape can do to someone seeing as I have been raped.

It was a horrific, terrible experience. But I would go through it again if I had to if the only other choice was death.

 

[the_bearpelt]

I am not defending rapists. But to sit on a high horse and denounce a game like this one, which stems from a completely different culture and legal system, when most of our home-grown games are just as fraught with crime and harm against others is hypocritical in the extreme.

Hey, just because I'm part of a country where many people play games that are violent doesn't mean I approve of it. I don't care WHAT country the damn game is from, it's the goddamn CONTENT that angers me.

 

[the_bearpelt]

I feel I understand quite clearly what rape can do to someone seeing as I have been raped.

It was a horrific, terrible experience. But I would go through it again if I had to if the only other choice was death.

... Well, damn. I could not have shoved my foot further down my throat if I had tried.
Well now I feel like a tool. (Was gonna happen eventually.)

I'm sorry that it happened to you. But I still feel like you can't say murder's worse because they're both horrible.

 

[ImprovizoR]

Japan has no laws to prohibit such games, Japan is a sovereign country so no one really has the right to tell them what to do. And anything about war on crime and whatnot that comes from America is hilarious. I'm not saying this game is OK though. It's repulsive to say the least, but there are sickos in this world and I'd rather let them play the game then go and do something in real life.