Columnist Links Games to Acceptance of Torture
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Not sure what it would achieve, but it would be enjoyab-Yog Sothoth said:
Wow, I just realized something. It isn't the video games that make people okay with torture, it is people who make wild claims linking the two that do.
I'll provide a very simple explanation for why we like violent video games but oppose torture:
Sadistic violence is fun, but we know it's wrong to hurt others unnecessarily. In video games, we aren't really hurting someone, so we can indulge in humanities natural love for sadism. In the real world, we know it's wrong, and we are quite rational, so we, for the most part, recognize it's wrong. It's a matter of whether you are actually harming someone or not.
As for why we have this craving for sadism, it's probably an instinct to aid in killing for personal survival back in caveman days. This urge is strong for things that anger us, and in the wild things that anger us would be the biggest threat to your personal survival, thus you would need to kill it. The urge kicks in to override the other instinct not to kill other people for species survival and to motivate you more to do something for your survival. So humans aren't made violent, humans are violent, yet also rational.
Sadistic violence is fun, but we know it's wrong to hurt others unnecessarily. In video games, we aren't really hurting someone, so we can indulge in humanities natural love for sadism. In the real world, we know it's wrong, and we are quite rational, so we, for the most part, recognize it's wrong. It's a matter of whether you are actually harming someone or not.
As for why we have this craving for sadism, it's probably an instinct to aid in killing for personal survival back in caveman days. This urge is strong for things that anger us, and in the wild things that anger us would be the biggest threat to your personal survival, thus you would need to kill it. The urge kicks in to override the other instinct not to kill other people for species survival and to motivate you more to do something for your survival. So humans aren't made violent, humans are violent, yet also rational.
Uh huh, I like how people in America rant on without any source other than fellow fundamentalists and people yelling "moral" roughly every sentence.
It just screams a whole new level of pretension and assumed superiority to others, a state of being much more damaging than any pixelated shades of red.
It just screams a whole new level of pretension and assumed superiority to others, a state of being much more damaging than any pixelated shades of red.
Of course videogames. Nobody ever blames the TV, or movies.Malygris said:
I think that a combination of TV, games, and movies may have desensitized the general public; but I'll bet these people never thought that it may just be a changing world. Maybe 9/11 changed the population a bit, maybe that's why people became a bit less sympathetic toward terrorists. Maybe I'm wrong, but people seem way too eager to blame videogames for the problems of society
Hmm, maybe this is the source of her problem. For God's sake, the Wii is not G rated. Most Wii games just happen to be. I think she needs to spend an hour or two playing MadWorld or No More Heroes.Malygris said:
its so amazing people throw around this shit and dont do research other than just guessing
ive said before and ill say it again: many years ago it was rock music and now its video games
o well i guess all those americans back before WWII cheering when they declared war were playing to much Grand Theft Auto or maybe to much Madworld
ive said before and ill say it again: many years ago it was rock music and now its video games
o well i guess all those americans back before WWII cheering when they declared war were playing to much Grand Theft Auto or maybe to much Madworld
o i would also like to add another one that i just relized
i see now why torture is accepted for them IT IS VIDEO GAMES not 9/11 not having our troops that are POWs tortured in gruesome ways and most certainly not them attacking our soldiers
those cunning basturds i never would have accepted video games until they pointed out that is what causes our hatred for them (loads a gun and holds it up in the air and wishs for people like this to fall into a hole of used needles
i see now why torture is accepted for them IT IS VIDEO GAMES not 9/11 not having our troops that are POWs tortured in gruesome ways and most certainly not them attacking our soldiers
those cunning basturds i never would have accepted video games until they pointed out that is what causes our hatred for them (loads a gun and holds it up in the air and wishs for people like this to fall into a hole of used needles
People havn't changed at all, and that is why we're "just like the romans". Humans have made great evolutions technologically, but our social evolution has gone through far fewer itinerations. People just don't like to admit we havn't changed that much.
Anyway, just another idiot spewing hate speech, move along nothing to see here.
Anyway, just another idiot spewing hate speech, move along nothing to see here.
Guys. It's the huffington post, one of the most far far far left weblogs there is. What do yoy think they will say about violence/torture? They always Blame it on something not applicable to the cause. They do crap like this all the time.
Oh and personally, I think all of the whiners who think water boarding it torture, need to see what real torture is. I'm talking spanish inquestion, *****es.
EDITED for spelling that I caught.
Oh and personally, I think all of the whiners who think water boarding it torture, need to see what real torture is. I'm talking spanish inquestion, *****es.
EDITED for spelling that I caught.
I'm curious as to what she received in high school.Malygris said:
Is killing the entire point of GTA? Flame me for this, but I've never played a Grand Theft Auto game in my life (BLASPHEMY), and I'm pretty sure that this isn't the whole point.Malygris said:
Well there's your problem.Malygris said:
Even though Christians were slaughtered in the Colosseum, Rome still managed to stay in power for at least two hundred years after persecution began. I fail to see what her point was in this quote.Malygris said:
You get an F. Very poor.
One thing I've noticed in video games is who does the torture is changing. In Metal Gear Solid 1 the Snake was being tortured. Now more and more games have a way of torturing NPC's. Like in Grand Theft Auto IV when you have to shoot a guy in the knee cap to get him to talk. The Punisher game had torture as a game mechanic. It seems more like art imitating life though.
Not surprisingly, I'm against all forms of torture though.
Not surprisingly, I'm against all forms of torture though.
I heard that going to church also makes you more likely to accept torture.
Also, I would like to mention that when Germany was bombing the bejeezes out of London, they didn't torture the Nazi's they had captured. I believe teh super-hardcore British military person (Who wore a monacle, and was thus secretly a wizard) said that torture decreases the quality of the information, and is impatient.
Also, I would like to mention that when Germany was bombing the bejeezes out of London, they didn't torture the Nazi's they had captured. I believe teh super-hardcore British military person (Who wore a monacle, and was thus secretly a wizard) said that torture decreases the quality of the information, and is impatient.
Historical fact:
There was violence long before games were invented, and people had fairly casual attitudes towards the odd beheading long before Columbus discoverred a new trade route to India(or if you want to be correct, he discoverred the Americas but incorrectly reported it as India, hence native Americans are called Indians).
There was violence long before games were invented, and people had fairly casual attitudes towards the odd beheading long before Columbus discoverred a new trade route to India(or if you want to be correct, he discoverred the Americas but incorrectly reported it as India, hence native Americans are called Indians).
There is also the gameplay mechanic of acquiring motor vehicles via criminal means, Also known as grand thief autoScreens said:
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