Interesting. I was unaware of this. Thanks for the info I had not come across this before.Tenmar said:
Conan O'Brien Loses It Over Lara
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I've massacred thousands of soldiers,disentangled millions of organs, decapited hundreds of foes, and commited war crimes beyond redemption with White Phosphorous... but somehow watching Lara's face become a shishkebob was one of the most disturbing images I've seen on a game.
1) I didn't call it unrealistic, but it doesn't match up with other depictions I've seen in other forms of graphic media.James Joseph Emerald said:
2) To me, it looks like a fake orgasm face. To each their own.
3) If she was trying to remove she'd actually wrap her hand around it. I, personally, see no gesture indicating she's trying to remove it.
4) I've seen expressions of pain that were in no way sexual, so.. yes. I can see a distinction.
5) I have never claimed that the developers intended this. Not once. I'm not sure what their intention was. I'm just saying how it appeared to me.
I don't think I'm that cynical at all. And they aren't 'baseless assumptions', they are my opinions garnered from watching the video. You're more than entitled to disagree and to come away from it with a different opinion than I did. As the scene looked to me she was more sexualized than men in other, similar, situations.
I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, just that it exists. I'm not saying it needs to be edited or changed to suit my needs. I'm not saying the game is unplayable or harmful in anyway. I'm not saying that you shouldn't play it or that I should.
Why is it "cynical" or "threatening" to point this out? And why does your response have to include a personal insult with a hostile tone?
Well yes, that's what I'm doing. I'm not "threatened" by your opinion, and my tone isn't hostile. I just disagree and think you're taking your own bias (i.e. a preconception that everything in Tomb Raider is sexualised) and projecting it on to something only tenuously related.Catie Caraco said:
It's just funny how everyone thinks they're being clever when they say stuff like "look how many times Lara is penetrated by a phallic object! Obviously symbolic of sexual violence!" yet if you actually follow that train of thought, then 90% of games with male characters has gay rape as a theme...
.. When did I say that Everything in Tomb Raider is sexualized? I'm pretty sure I only said the one scene was. I have only played the opening of one other Tomb Raider, became frustrated with the controls, and quit. I have very little experience with the series. So, I'm not trying to be clever, all I did was offer up an opinion. I was one of the people who thought that "rape" scene where the guy touches her arm was people making a big deal out of nothing. From the promotional art I've seen this is the least sexualized Lara's ever been.James Joseph Emerald said:
And perhaps your tone wasn't 'hostile', but I've been receiving so much nit-picky flac for what was, for me, a throw-away statement akin to "It's weird that she's making an O-face here," that I'm really starting to feel bogged down and attacked. Not just by you.
I love how you keep putting words in my mouth. I was responding to SOMEONE else saying she was trying to remove it. I didn't say that's what it looked like. I know that if you've been impaled by something you leave it the hell alone or you bleed out, like Steve Irwin. I also never called the scene torture porn, like you accused me of, so now you're jumping on something else I DIDN'T even say. So I'm done with you.Tenmar said:
I always find it impressive when games find new ways to shock me with violence. I think the game devs got their message across very well.
Conan continues to be the only late show host I actually think is funny. This is a great idea for a segment, I've got to watch the rest of them. He reminds me of my girlfriend when she plays video games.
Question. For those who are shocked at the various death scenes, have you played the other tomb raider games? Lara can die in some pretty horrible ways in all of them, it isn't really anything new. Crushed by boulder, impaled by spikes, falling and breaking her neck, picked up and smashed around on the ground like a rag doll, burn to death, turn into gold and suffocate, and drowning. That is just in the first game too.
I guess the fact that it was more cinematic plays a part in how gruesome the death scenes are in the new games, but remember that in terms of the series' history, pretty terrible deaths are nothing new.
I guess the fact that it was more cinematic plays a part in how gruesome the death scenes are in the new games, but remember that in terms of the series' history, pretty terrible deaths are nothing new.
Oh man, these are great! I don't really like Conan's show all that much, but he nails it with these.
Really, it's always fascinated me to see non-gamers play games, to see how they struggle grasping game mechanics. Stuff that's natural to me is like another language for them.
Really, it's always fascinated me to see non-gamers play games, to see how they struggle grasping game mechanics. Stuff that's natural to me is like another language for them.